Mindy Hargesheimer (00:00:00):
Hey guys. Welcome back to the podcast. I am really excited for today's guest. I have Dr. Justin Grabouski
with Grabouski Chiropractic here in Kansas City, specifically Overland Park. Not only do I have Justin in
the studio with me, but I have two good friends of mine as well who are patients of his. And he's gonna be
the first of many industry experts that I'm bringing into the studio to talk about their fields of expertise.
And we get into a wild array of topics that his team is working on to help people alleviate many things
that they're dealing with. You might think of the obvious car accident or athletic injury, but then we get
into topics like perimenopause, fertility, allergies, things like that. So I think you're gonna find this a
really interesting episode to learn about what he and his staff are able to do and how you guys can tap into
them if you are dealing with something on your own. So be sure to tune in, watch or stream the episode,
wherever you love to do that. And I'm excited for you to hear what he has to say.
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I am super excited to have this little group here to do this. This is gonna be so fun. Okay. So I should
probably back up with how this came to be. So we have Dr. Justin Grabousski who came highly
recommended by Emily and Melanie who are here. And then come to find out I have like a trillion friends
who go to you as patients and we have more friends beyond that who are connected to you. And so I
wanna bring in people who have, can talk about their field of expertise. And as someone who doesn't go
to a chiropractor, I wanna talk about what you guys have benefited from. So, you ready? Mm-Hmm
Emily (00:01:41):
<Affirmative>.
Justin Grabouski (00:01:41):
Yes. Very ready. It's
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:01:42):
Gonna be really fun. All right. Do you wanna introduce yourself and your background?
Justin Grabouski (00:01:45):
Sure. I'm Dr. Justin Grabouski. I practice here in Overland Park, Kansas. I am the co-owner of Grabouski
Chiropractic with my beautiful wife Noelle, who helps every single day with the business side. And we
currently have a wonderful team including Anna and Leah, our cas and our associate Dr. Dr. Christie
Irvin.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:02:06):
I love it. Which I got to come in with Emily to a session a couple days ago. That's
Justin Grabouski (00:02:10):
Right.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:02:10):
Pre podcast, so I can get a feel for what happens. Yeah.
Emily (00:02:13):
That's not something you get to do with your friends just every day. No. Come watch me get adjusted.
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But I do love that she did that. That's awesome. She knew exactly what she was gonna be walking into
today. And you got to experience our office firsthand.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:02:24):
Yeah, exactly. Which I definitely wanted to do. And I don't know if you guys picked up on this listening
to the you guys heard the episode with Brad Burrow, who you met coming in here, the, the owner of Real
Media, but I told him I wanna know a little bit about a lot. And so I wanna talk to people about all their
different fields that they're in. And and so that's where the chiropractic thing came in. I was like, this is
perfect, because who did I tell? I think it was you. I was like, I feel like everybody now is in more pain
than they've ever been. Mm-Hmm. Both like physically, mentally, emotionally, and we'll kind of get into
that stuff too. Right?
Emily (00:02:55):
Yeah. Yeah. That makes very sure. I'm like, I'm just like wondering why Do you know? Like, is it our age
or is
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:01):
It Well, yeah, so
Emily (00:03:02):
The the age in like a big meta kind of way. Like what do the
Justin Grabouski (00:03:05):
State and stress of the world and everything. Yeah. Probably.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:08):
I think it's probably all of the above. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Which I wanna get into all of those details
'cause I think we were talking about athletes, we've been talking about perimenopause, which is definitely
a huge topic right now. Gotta talk about that. We all have kids. We can talk about prenatal, but did you
get into it because you had an injury? Is that what I read?
Justin Grabouski (00:03:24):
Correct. About
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:25):
You?
Justin Grabouski (00:03:25):
Yes. Okay. When, when I was playing college baseball my junior year I had a bad injury and I saw every
provider you can imagine, athletic trainers, physical therapists, orthopedic guys, injections. And it was a
crazy chiropractor in Omaha. I would drive over three times a week during the season and he got me in
shape to play every weekend. And then I'd have to spend the next week recovering. The only reason I
played shoulder, what was it? It was my, it was a torn up quad and leg injury that went up to my hip.
Yeah. Wow. And that man got me playable. He works magic. That wasn't great, but he was the only one.
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surgeries mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so I was kind of drawn to that. And it's, it's really commonplace
in the chiropractic world to say that chiropractic chose us. We didn't choose chiropractic. Most people
interesting. Some, some are legacy chiropractors who were born and, you know, raised by other
chiropractors generations. But the majority of us went through something that then we found chiropractic
for and went, oh my God, this is incredible. Yeah. And this is what I want to do. And that was definitely
my experience.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:04:33):
Wow. So you that was during college? Yes. Did you
Justin Grabouski (00:04:36):
Have to
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:04:36):
Like, pivot what you were studying and then like how much schooling is involved with
Justin Grabouski (00:04:40):
Becoming? Didn't, didn't have to pivot. I was already pretty much pre-med chemistry major. Mm-Hmm.
For those four years. So four years of undergrad, playing baseball, having a good time. And then it's
actually 10 trimesters now you go all year round. Wow. Instead of two trimesters, it's three. Oh wow. Or
two semesters it's three.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:04:57):
Emily's over there doing the math.
Justin Grabouski (00:04:58):
So it's like three and a third years. My son wants
Emily (00:05:00):
To go.
Justin Grabouski (00:05:01):
Oh, Johnny
Emily (00:05:01):
Thanks to Yeah. Oh
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:05:02):
Right. Your son also goes, my
Emily (00:05:04):
Gosh, there's another one. So he wants to do one. So I'm just totalling up. I'm doing math in my son.So Justin Grabouski (00:05:07):
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Seven and a third years you have parts 1, 2, 3, and four board exams plus a physical therapy board exam.
And I was actually trying to do a little bit of like updated research 'cause I haven't looked in a while Sure.
Before coming on here. But you can do a Google search of the chiropractic credit hours versus the
medical doctor credit hours. And there's a, a ton orthopedics, neurology, radiology, clinical nutrition. We
take way more than the MDs do. And then when it comes to pharmacology, pathology, general surgeries,
they take way more than us. Oh my gosh. But it's pretty fascinating when you actually look at it and go,
whoa, that's a lot more than I thought. Yeah. And it was like, it's 30 to 33 credit hours your first
semesters. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:05:49):
What
Emily (00:05:50):
A fascinating way to break that down.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:05:51):
I know. And also, not everybody makes it. I could never be a chiropractor because I can't do math. So just
leave it at that.
Justin Grabouski (00:05:57):
Once you're done with school, you don't have to do as much math. So you, you'd be alright.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:06:00):
Yeah. That's good. Okay. So how long have you been doing it now and how long have you been in KC
Justin Grabouski (00:06:05):
Overland Park? 16 years total. Okay.
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my first six years I started off doing a little more physical therapy based type chiropractic care. And we
can kind of get into that too. Totally. There's a million different, different types of chiropractic care. I had
two partners. I was an independent contractor in an office. I'm still best friends with those guys. They're
great guys. They treated me extremely well. Yeah. And they always knew I wanted to do my own thing.
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So when it came time after six years my wife and I had a conversation and she
said, it's time. Let's do it. And that will be 10 years next month in February. Okay. That we will be in the
practice that we're at now. Yeah. at Grabouski Chiropractic at hundred 35th Street.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:06:41):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:06:41):
So, and it's gone so fast.Mindy Hargesheimer (00:06:44):
What do you primarily focus on? Like how do you explain what you and your
Justin Grabouski (00:06:48):
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Team Oh baby
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:06:48):
Do.
Justin Grabouski (00:06:49):
That's, are you ready for that? Yeah,
Emily (00:06:50):
I'm ready.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:06:51):
<Laugh> Here we go there Melanie. Man. And you guys feel free to jump in whenever you, you both,
we'll get stories from you guys, different
Emily (00:06:57):
Things, very
Justin Grabouski (00:06:58):
Different
Emily (00:06:58):
Things. And so, and then I see other people coming in and out because your office is run, like the office
experience is something we need to talk about.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:07:04):
Yeah. I wanna dive into that because I've heard from you guys, Angie, how incredible. It's,
Justin Grabouski (00:07:07):
I feel like we have to preface that with kind of like the, the most beautiful and also terrible things about
modern chiropractic care, which is that we are all so uniquely different with what we do. Huh. That it's a
really beautiful thing. Yeah. You can find a chiropractor that does dang near anything and whatever you
need, you can find that person. But it also creates a lot of confusion because we are all so different that
you don't really know what you're walking into or me compared to five others that you would have in the
same room all have a different approach, different techniques, different philosophy. So there's not a very
streamlined, standardized version of kind of chiropractic care. Yeah. That feels like a
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:07:50):
Window of opportunity for someone to figure out how, how you find the, the one that helps with X, Y , z.Justin Grabouski (00:07:56):
Mostly referrals. I mean pretty much this day and age has to be mm-hmm. Referrals. Right. Other people
that have similar things that you have, who do you go to? Who do you see who's the best mm-hmm
<affirmative>. And that's how most people end up walking through our door because we don't market or
advertise anymore. It's all referral based. You came
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Emily (00:08:12):
To me through another healer, Uhhuh, who, you know, there's like this whole network of healers here in
Kansas City. Right. Seems that's just like a whole other episode. Right. Know each other. Yeah. <laugh>
and you all know each other and it's interest. It's kind of crazy. So you came to me from Jillian, the
myofascial slash I don't even know, magician, that she is
Justin Grabouski (00:08:28):
Amazing
Emily (00:08:28):
For structural support, right? Mm-Hmm. And then Melanie came to you because I was like, he's amazing.
Justin Grabouski (00:08:33):
Yes. And then your
Emily (00:08:33):
Migraines were gone that
Justin Grabouski (00:08:34):
Day.
Emily (00:08:34):
You know,
Justin Grabouski (00:08:35):
Emily was referred from a provider that's in another chiropractor's office. Yeah. Dr. Jill, who's one of my
best friends Yeah. Who've also seen
Emily (00:08:42):
And is amazing,
Justin Grabouski (00:08:43):
Who does an entirely different set of things with integrative health. So what is an example of like
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:08:48):
How it's entirely different between like you and her? Like what do people come to youJustin Grabouski (00:08:52):
For
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:08:52):
Versus what Jill would come in here and talk about?
Justin Grabouski (00:08:54):
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I, I would say the biggest things that we see, you know, first and foremost would be we're very big into
corrective care. Okay. So we still see our, our share of neck and back pain, typical symptom relief,
chiropractic care, people who just want out of pain. But the majority of what we do now is people coming
in with an existing injury or problem or condition that's been around for way too long that they're sick and
tired of, and they're looking to break that cycle of pain or illness.
Melanie Wight (00:09:25):
That's me.
Justin Grabouski (00:09:26):
And then it's, it's our job. It's my job in that role to, to do a true assessment and say, okay, you may have
pain here, but where's it actually coming from? What's the cause of this thing? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.
And why are you dealing with it 1, 2, 3, 4 times a year for the last 10 years of your life mm-hmm
<affirmative>. Without somebody stepping in and saying, this is what needs to be done to stop that cycle.
So corrective care is huge. And that also extends to kids, scoliosis, curvature issues. Mm-Hmm
<affirmative>. Your typical hip back neck pains. Yeah. But then you can go the full other realm of the
prenatal, postnatal, pediatric care. Geriatric care I mean, you name it, we treat it through chiropractic, but
I stick with chiropractic care adjusting patients. I don't do physical therapy anymore. Okay. I don't do a
ton of hands-on soft tissue techniques, but the caveat to that is whatever you do need as the patient, if I
don't provide it, I'm going to refer you to a provider who will give you that exact thing that you need. And
I think the best. That's amazing. I think the best of us, I like to think the best of us are that way. If, if
you're in my office and you're not in my specific expertise, it's my job to make sure the patient gets
exactly what they need from who they need it and ends up going through that door. Got it. To not
selfishly keep you here under my umbrella if that's not my specialty.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:10:46):
Is that just you guys being Midwest to nice? Or does that happen?
Justin Grabouski (00:10:49):
That's a good question. At the industry, <laugh> probably a little bit of both. Or people that have just
done it long enough where it's, you know, I can't be all things for all people all of the time. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:11:00):
I
Justin Grabouski (00:11:00):Want to be a specialist at the few things that I do do mm-hmm <affirmative>. And then send you to the
specialist for exactly what you need.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:11:07):
So what did you have and what was like your first, what's, can you tell us like the first interaction and you
can talk to like what you had people do as a new Yeah, sure.
Melanie Wight (00:11:15):
So I started seeing Justin probably over the summer sometime. I think it's been about six months. And
what I really appreciated about you specifically was your gentle approach. I felt very safe, very
comfortable. It was very easy. He did x-rays, you know, he really pinpointed what the issues were and
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explained them in detail more than I really even understood what you were saying. I just trusted you
<laugh> you were talking about percentages and what you can do and all the things. But I appreciated it
because it showed the, you know, all the knowledge you had in bringing that to me. So I really
appreciated that. And I would say the after the third time seeing you was really where I noticed a huge
change and I was pulling out of my driveway and I turned, I looked left and I could look left without any
pain and I was just thrilled. And yeah. Remember that day? That's amazing. Yeah. It was, it was a huge
breakthrough. Yeah. And yeah,
Emily (00:12:11):
I think we got a text about that that day. Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:12:13):
I mean, those are the moments that I still live for like 16 years later and I never get bored of those patients
that walk in and you can tell 'cause they have a huge smile on their face mm-hmm <affirmative>. And
they're like, guess what? Yeah. And then it's usually followed by I did this or I did that, or I woke up
without this one specific thing that I've suffered with. Yeah. And it feels good to feel good. Yeah. And
that never gets old.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:12:32):
Well, to your point, I was gonna say, after you guys referred me to him and I got in touch with you about
coming on the podcast, we met for coffee at Pilgrim Coffee and you become like immediate fast friends
with everybody. Like you are so welcoming and so warm and so hospitable and I mean, I like that in and
of itself has to be a huge differentiator for you as a chiropractor. Well,
Justin Grabouski (00:12:53):
Thank you. I
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:12:54):
Honestly,
Justin Grabouski (00:12:55):
I genuinely love people. Yeah. I mean, I truly do. I I think you have your world full of optimists and
pessimists and I think people are genuinely very, very good deep down. And I hope that's what wecontinue to attract into our practice. If you're a little bit grouchy or don't really like ray of sunshine in
front of your face every day, you may not last with me a whole lot. Yeah. You
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:13:16):
Might get fired
Justin Grabouski (00:13:16):
<Laugh>. But you know, that being said, I meet a lot of people kind of at a low point or at a tough point
vulnerable in their life. Yeah. And they're not, it's, you don't always get to see that true person on your
very first day in an exam room with them. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And so some people can come off a
little prickly at first or very pessimistic because they've seen 10 other providers for this thing and now
you're telling me they're just miserable, but why should I believe you? Yeah. And then all of a sudden
they're out of pain or feeling better and you see who they truly are. Yeah. And you're like, oh my God,
this is a whole different person than I met the first day.
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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:13:50):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:13:51):
And that's, that's part of the beauty of it.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:13:53):
Okay. Well, let's brag about you for a second. Okay.
Justin Grabouski (00:13:55):
Uhoh
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:13:56):
My homework on you. You've been voted best chiropractor by the Kansas City Star, named one of the
American Institute of Chiropractors, 10 best chiropractors in Kansas. And wait, there's more and honored
nine consecutive years is one of the top 25 outstanding doctors in America. <Laugh>. Yeah. Bravo. I
Justin Grabouski (00:14:16):
Feel like I'm, I feel like I'm blushing. I get test. I, I mean
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:14:19):
What does that, like what does that mean to you? I'm, I'm sure you're very humble knowing you and you
guys, you know, it's
Justin Grabouski (00:14:24):
Being
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:14:24):
With him, but like, that's a big deal.Justin Grabouski (00:14:25):
It's very surreal because I just, I just try and show up to work and be me. Yeah. But I've had some really
incredible teachers and mentors in this space Yeah. For the last 16 years mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:14:36):
And
Justin Grabouski (00:14:36):
I, everything that I know I have learned from those people. So like are
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:14:40):
They locally or are they across
Justin Grabouski (00:14:41):
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The country? No, they're nationwide. Yeah. For the most part. And my main mentor that's taught me
pretty much everything about the style of adjusting that we do, the business practice that we run the flow
of the office that you guys see, he's still down in Tulsa. He's retired. Aw. But he's shout out to Tulsa and I
keep up and I keep up with him. But like, I haven't had to have any original thoughts in a long time
because I've just, I've really jumped in the pockets of the people who've known what they're, they know
how to do things the right way and they've done it for a very long time. Yeah. And I just soaked up as
much as I could from them. So
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:12):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:15:13):
The awards are, I, I don't know. They're, they're very, very humbling. Yeah. And I try not to think about
them too much. Yeah. but I give all the credit to
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:21):
The rest of us. Get to pull 'em out for you. <Laugh>.
Justin Grabouski (00:15:23):
Well, thank you. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:23):
I'm
Justin Grabouski (00:15:24):
A hundred so
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:24):Okay. With you. What did, what was your pain? Where did it come from? Was it something like years in
the making or?
Emily (00:15:31):
I've always seen a chiropractor. Okay. Since I was 22 and living in Mexico and where I was, was like a
bastion of like either people running for the law or like healers that just wanted to go surfing. And so that
kind of surf culture really attracted a lot of people. I first got my first adjustment when I was like 23 and I
was like, whoa. And I have looked at it as like a health maintenance thing my whole life. Yeah. But being
a single mom, I like didn't get to take care of myself for a long time. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Not
anymore shout out to the husband though. <Laugh>. But I Oh, Kevin, like couldn't go see. And I
developed sciatica going down my leg. Oh gosh. Because I started lifting weights like perimenopause,
like we're all told to do. Yeah. And just what the way I was doing it was not helping my body. It was
causing me a lot of pain. I couldn't sleep at night and I went to him and like the first day it was so much
better. And then over time, like I don't have it at all. I can sleep normally now. And then also though,
which I think is fascinating, I've always thought I practice meditation too, you know? Mm-Hmm
<affirmative>.
Justin Grabouski (00:16:22):
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The
Emily (00:16:22):
Spine is like a map of the entire body, really. The entire consciousness. And so I approach chiropractic as
a way as keeping my like consciousness in line in a way. Yeah. And I think you have that poster on the
wall of your office, right? Yeah. That has a picture of the spine. And it's so cool to take my son Johnny,
who's 17, who has all this beginner's mind and he'll be like, whoa. So like those vertebrae attached to like
anxiety or like allergies and all these things that I used to have like chronic allergies, chronic sinus stuff. I
don't have them anymore because I've been adjusted for 25. Lets not talk about my age, but like 25 years
or something. Oh, let's
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:16:59):
Proudly talk about your name. That's right. 46
Emily (00:17:01):
Years old.
Justin Grabouski (00:17:02):
That's
Emily (00:17:02):
Right. In a Dr. G devotee. That's why I'm sitting here
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:17:06):
Trying to sit up straightEmily (00:17:07):
And look, there are a lot of great healers in Kansas City and I've seen a lot of him since I moved back
here five years ago. But like, he's the one who sticks. Right. He just, like, his process is easy as somebody
who's like, got a busy life like we all do. You go in and out, it's very quick, it's flexible, you just like have
a standing time. And then so I get my, my healing fix and I come back and I'm like, la like I feel so good,
you know? Yeah. But I know if you could talk about that map of the spine if you're interested in that. No,
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:17:34):
I want, yeah, I do. Because one of the questions that I had was like, what are some of the obscure things
that you wouldn't think are related to it's actually your spine or going to a chiropractor like allergies and
some other things. Depression. Depression.
Melanie Wight (00:17:45):
Well, mental health. Yeah. Yes. I was having not a great morning yesterday. <Laugh> and then, not
kidding, right? Yeah. Just one of those days just like grumpy and perimenopausal, whatever. And literally
seeing him walking out, I was just in a really good mood. Changes. You give one of
Emily (00:17:59):
Those hugs and it's like the bomb hug and you're like, I'm good. True. It really
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Melanie Wight (00:18:03):
Does affect your mental space. Yes. Yeah. I wanna talk about, about that for sure. I mean it's bizarre, but
it's true.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:18:09):
Mm-Hmm
Justin Grabouski (00:18:10):
<Affirmative>. There aren't too many places in the modern world where you come into physical contact
with other people in a way that's intentional or healing when you really think about it. Yeah. A lot of
people would miss that. And there's a couple perfect segues in the things. So true.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:18:24):
Like
Justin Grabouski (00:18:24):
You ask
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:18:25):
As I was watching Emily on Tuesday and her leg is like flipped over and Justin's right here and you're
like, hope you're good <laugh>. I knowJustin Grabouski (00:18:32):
Hope this goes well.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:18:33):
I got a lot of trust. You have to trust trusts.
Justin Grabouski (00:18:36):
No, you
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:18:36):
Yeah.
'cause You're putting yourself in such you's a really good point. Some weird positions. It's
Justin Grabouski (00:18:40):
Every, every healing profession you have to trust the person that's taking care of you. And if you don't
implicitly then it's time to find a different one. Yeah. Because that's the most important part of any
healing journey.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:18:52):
Well, and I immediately think if you don't, you're gonna be tensed up when you go into the office and it's
not gonna work.
Emily (00:18:57):
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That's why I gotta take that pre-B breath. It's just like, let it go. I can like let you into my like aura, you
know? Yeah. Once you get in there,
Justin Grabouski (00:19:04):
If you don't subconsciously trust the person that's trying to help you heal through something, you're gonna
hit a plateau and your body's gonna stop you. Your brain's gonna stop you. You asked in the hallway mm
hmm <affirmative>. How has chiropractic evolved? Yeah. And the, the long and short of it is, it's evolved
insanely rapidly, but it also hasn't evolved at all from its founding principles. And because you guys
brought this up, there's the oldest chiropractic philosophy from when it all started basically states, I'll kind
of like eighth grade this so I don't get too into the weeds. I can talk about this for college. No. Talk
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:19:34):
To me like I'm a fifth grader, please. He knows our level. Yeah.
Emily (00:19:36):
There
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:19:36):
Are,Justin Grabouski (00:19:36):
He knows,
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:19:36):
He knows
Melanie Wight (00:19:37):
Us. Basic.
Justin Grabouski (00:19:38):
Basically they said, okay, there's three major stresses that the, that the body is introduced to on a daily
basis. And the chiropractic adjustment is designed to help with all three of them. And we call them like
the PCE or the physical, the chemical and emotional stresses. Okay. Physical slips, falls, accidents,
posture, working on a computer, 10 hours. Your typical things that you think about with chiropractic care
being
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:20:00):
46, getting outta bed,
Justin Grabouski (00:20:02):
Biomechanical stuff. Yes. Every day. All of the, the modern day cell, phones, computers, all of the things
that we go through. The chemical would be anything internal or that you're ingesting that's causing
inflammation or problems. Oh, that's the
Melanie Wight (00:20:15):
Chemical things
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Justin Grabouski (00:20:16):
That you're allergic to. Food sensitivities, medications, I mean anything that you're basically exposed to
like
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:20:24):
Literally anything you're eating, drinking, breathing in.
Justin Grabouski (00:20:26):
Correct. And we'll come back to that because that's the internal chart of like where the nerves go and the
organ systems that you support with the adjustment. And then the emotional with is the, the world we live
in the therapy side. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Right. And that's why we refer to so many therapists. The
office that she came from, there are two therapists that I refer to all the time for that. But the, the
physiological effects from emotional stress, like everybody's pretty familiar with that mm-hmm
<affirmative>. And the problems that it causes mm-hmm <affirmative>. And the hormones that it disrupts
and the tension that it creates and the cortisol levels that spike mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so the
adjustment is designed to do all of those things. The physical Right. Removing pressure from a nervous
system. Yeah. Straightening out the hips, getting the pinched nerve out of the way. Classic chiropracticcare.
(00:21:11):
The chemical internal side would be more if you come into me with digestive issues or your baby is
colicky or constipated or you're an adult with IBS or something is happening with headaches or migraines
with a vasoconstriction or dilation problem. Every, every vertebra that we adjust has nerves that go to a
specific organ system. And if that system is hypoactive and not working enough mm-hmm <affirmative>.
It will regulate it up. Or if it's hyperactive and it's going way too fast and way too rapidly, it will regulate
it down. So it's all about bringing that like neutral normal balance homeostasis back to your nervous
system
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:21:50):
Through adjustments.
Justin Grabouski (00:21:52):
Yes. Correct. And that's why like the buzzwords now with a lot of the chiropractic world that you see is
like the nervous system chiropractors. Mm. We're all nervous system chiropractors whether you're
intentionally doing it or not, but it's, it's really cool that people are seeking out chiropractic for those
specific things. And the best way to describe some of that, like if you're an adult that has a digestive issue,
you know those nerves go to your digestive track and they're either causing things to move too slowly.
Right. There's, there's our constipation issues. Or there's too rapidly like an electrical system that's
irritated and so you're either removing pressure to help that system come up and function or you're
removing irritation to help that system chill back out. Hmm. The same can be said. So can you
Emily (00:22:35):
Look at, sorry, go on. The
Justin Grabouski (00:22:36):
Same can be said for headache and migraine sufferers, people with reflux issues, babies with reflux issues
asthma issues, bronchial issues, kidney function, digestive issues, reproductive issues, fertility issues.
That's what I hadn't
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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:22:54):
Even thought about.
Justin Grabouski (00:22:54):
Cycle problems. A ton of the female cycle is, is helped so much by the chiropractic adjustment as far as
just cramping and pain and regulation For sure. I mean you name it, there's that whole, there's just a
whole chart Yeah. Of everywhere it goes. So when
Emily (00:23:06):
You look at an x-ray and you see like someone's like, you know, their spine is like this mm-hmm
<affirmative>. Or you know, that's extreme right to say that it's like, but like a little bit, can you anticipate
the issues they might have in their daily lives Very or in their mental health much. And then how often is
that accurate then?Justin Grabouski (00:23:20):
Ooh.
Emily (00:23:21):
Like before you even talk to them, could you look at that and be like,
Justin Grabouski (00:23:24):
Yes. Ooh,
Emily (00:23:24):
I bet they have.
Justin Grabouski (00:23:25):
But if you don't come in for that, it's not something that I'm gonna like throw at you immediately. Oh,
right. Like if I, if I see a crazy curvature in the low back, but you're here for a neck issue, I'm probably not
gonna dive into a whole bunch of questions about like your fertility journey along the way. Hmm. So we
try and unless it comes up naturally, which it typically does, is that
Emily (00:23:46):
Just about giving your patients agency in their own healthcare?
Justin Grabouski (00:23:49):
Yes. Or
Emily (00:23:50):
Is that because
Justin Grabouski (00:23:50):
You
Emily (00:23:51):
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Don't wanna open a can of worms? Yeah,
Justin Grabouski (00:23:53):
Both. Okay. Both makes sense. I want to stay focused on the thing that you are asking me to help with.
Okay. Well I'm just And not overwhelm you. Not overwhelm you with too much. Some people want to
know it all.
Emily (00:24:03):
Yeah. Like right now on the record. Yes. Please look at my xray. I know we're all here. Tell everything
X-ray help me. Yeah. We wanna know all the problems, butMindy Hargesheimer (00:24:12):
That,
Emily (00:24:12):
That does
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:24:12):
Sense. That could be misperceived as like you're trying to push something on me and that's not why
Emily (00:24:17):
I came here.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:24:17):
So,
Emily (00:24:18):
would be like,
Which is stigma. Stigma of chiropractics. Right. Which is not my experience, but like my whole family
Justin Grabouski (00:24:24):
I wanna maintain healthy boundaries with every patient that comes in. Yeah. Yeah. Makes but that stuff
naturally, you know, that makes sense. You see the chart, you read the things on the screen or you notice
something Yeah. Where somebody comes in and says like, I've been a lot more regular or this or my
periods haven't been as bad, does this help with that? And I get to say absolutely it does. And I'm so glad
you noticed that. Yeah. But better sleep is one of the very first things that most patients notice with
consistent chiropractic care. That's probably what I hear the most for
Melanie Wight (00:24:51):
Sure. I don't get up anymore. Do you remember that was my first complaint. I said I get up at least five to
seven times to get a different pillow. Do you remember different pillow change my position just for that.
Not to use a restroom. Not for all the other perimenopausal things. Yeah. Literally because of my neck
pain. Oh, I never get up. I haven't told
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:05):
That that's, I have you guys here because you are testament to it.
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Melanie Wight (00:25:08):
So
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:08):
That's fascinating.
Justin Grabouski (00:25:09):It's the cool, it's the coolest, coolest part. And I mean you could, I'm
Melanie Wight (00:25:13):
So happy for you. Yeah. Never. You
Justin Grabouski (00:25:15):
Could talk about it for days things gone.
Melanie Wight (00:25:17):
Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:17):
What else with perimenopause, since we've got three women in their mid forties here. Like is that,
anything else with that in particular? Because it's such a big topic.
Justin Grabouski (00:25:25):
It's, it's I always, I always preface this with I'm very lucky to be a man Right. With all of my prenatal,
postnatal pregnant patients. Perimenopausal, we need a little bit testosterone and we're great <laugh> with
no problem at all. You ladies need the perfect balance of every single hormone plus your thyroid at
specific times of the month and day. Yeah. Otherwise it's pure chaos. Yeah. You're correct <laugh>. Yeah.
Emily (00:25:49):
Correct. You're such a womanlike healthcare provider too. I just would say like, I think in a world where
thankfully perimenopause is getting more attention Yeah. Women's health and overall is getting more
attention, but it just hasn't been researched. And I don't know if it's your awesome wife or like, you know,
why you have this sort of consciousness of like, just knowing that the experiences are different. It makes
it a lot easier to like surrender my body to you on that table and let you like, help me because I know that
you understand me. Mm-Hmm
Justin Grabouski (00:26:17):
<Affirmative>. Well thank you.
Emily (00:26:17):
Yeah. Thank you
Justin Grabouski (00:26:17):
For that. Did you grow
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Emily (00:26:18):
Up with sisters?
Justin Grabouski (00:26:19):
No. Two brothers.Emily (00:26:19):
Good question. What?
Justin Grabouski (00:26:20):
Two brothers? Cindy, that has surprised you? I have. I have a very awesome wife. Yeah, you do. We have
a wonderful relationship together and I've taken care of a lot of ladies over the last 16 years and so it's one
of those things where I feel like it's I can never put myself in your shoes, but I can just anecdotally tell
you what I've learned and what I know and what I've heard. And, but again, that's a differentiator. I try to
be You be respectful of that. Yeah. Yeah. I try to be very respectful of
Emily (00:26:45):
That. My lower back has been hurting to your question, you
Justin Grabouski (00:26:47):
Asked like,
Emily (00:26:47):
What are the perimenopause issues? And I was like, God, I don't know why my lower back is hurting.
'cause I always come in with like something every week I feel like, aside from the usual and you were
like, well yeah, I mean your hormones are probably all wacky and so let's see what we can do to get that
back in line. And then like, you know, it all fell. It all is connected. Everything. Our body is one body,
everything is connected in this one body. So like if we take care of the nervous system, it can do a lot of
things, you know? Mm-Hmm. Can
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:27:11):
Help a lot of things. Well, I'm just wondering how many times we're looking in the wrong direction. We're
looking for a medication or we're looking for a workout or something when it could be what you do with
adjustments mm-hmm <affirmative>. That can attack that thing more. So
Justin Grabouski (00:27:25):
If I could design the perfect program for every single patient, it would be somebody or a few people to
address like the physical, chemical and emotional aspects of everything that you've Yeah. Are going
through. So in a, in a perimenopause situation like chiropractic is lights out for the aches and pains and
stiffness and tension and like general stress relief for the body and the nervous system. The chemical side
is, is very much like go get your labs done. Yeah. See where you're at. Talk to other providers that can
help you with any type of natural supplementation or send you to the MDs if that's where you need to go.
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. To get some HRT help. Like, I don't hesitate to refer to medical doctors and
physical therapists and all. I take care of all of them in the office. Yeah. And have an amazing team for
that. And the emotional side is like, should every single person in the world be doing therapy? Yeah. Is it
accessible for all of us? No, but I wish it was more accessible for all of us. Yeah. Like if you want the full
spectrum of help, it would be all, all three of those things in one. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So.
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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:28:24):
Well, and I, I mean a little plug for just the world of podcasts, like I've thought about it so much wherepeople can get free help through podcasts that you can listen to for free. You know, there's so many
therapists out there. I wanna bring therapists on obviously in Kansas City too to talk about that stuff. Mm
Hmm <affirmative>. But 'cause it is crazy that people can't all have access to a
Justin Grabouski (00:28:40):
Therapist. It's getting better. Mm-Hmm. Just like with, just like with chiropractic care, the stigmas are
starting to go away. Yeah. I mean I wish the TikTok videos would stop, but that's just, Ooh, what are the
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:28:49):
Tiktok videos need our people,
Justin Grabouski (00:28:52):
The chiropractic TikTok videos.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:28:53):
I gotta, I gotta get into TikTok more and watch it. I guess it's
Justin Grabouski (00:28:55):
Like, it look like the aggressive adjusting and
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:28:56):
Phone. I'll look, look it today and it'll be all of that. Oh no.
Justin Grabouski (00:28:58):
There's a very like, okay,
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:28:59):
So what should people avoid? Let's go ahead and do
Justin Grabouski (00:29:02):
Some misinformation. Subject
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:29:04):
Matter.
Justin Grabouski (00:29:04):
Again, I have to say our philosophy, my personal approach to everything is I'm not anti anything. I'm just
pro chiropractic. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And that includes medicine and the MDs and the PTs. I was
raised by a nurse. My aunt was a nurse. My, my grandfather was the only person in our family that went
to his chiropractor. Oh. And it was as old as he was. It was like these two 70 some year old guys like
wrestling with each other was awesome.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:29:27):
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Justin Grabouski (00:29:28):
And if any of them, that's a good mental
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:29:29):
Image.
Justin Grabouski (00:29:30):
So I and my mom would literally take me to the back door of the chiropractor if I were hurt in a football
scene.
'cause She's afraid she'd get fired by the medical doctors that she was employed by. Wow. That's
extreme. No, but reality and it's way better, way better now than it used to be. Yeah. Wow. But I wasn't
raised in a chiropractic paradigm. Yeah. Either. And, and so it's but it's come a long ways so I'm not anti
anything. Okay. I just wish everyone would be extremely thorough compared to what the industry
standard is and a little more careful mm-hmm <affirmative>. And for every video that people post where
you're seeing this aggressive chiropractic style to like impress that small percentage of people that will sit
there and watch it on TikTok all day. You're can I swear on here? You
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:30:13):
Can. You're
Justin Grabouski (00:30:14):
Scaring the shit out of somebody else. Yeah. That probably shouldn't be seeing that. And I tell the young
docs all the time and the students all the time, if somebody's watching you do that style of really
aggressive adjusting, how likely are they to bring their child or their baby or their 98-year-old great
grandmother in that needs your help probably gonna hesitate and be like, whoa. Yeah. And they may not
even know that a different style exists out there that is more gentle, that's designed for those people. Yeah.
So I always try and teach that to the younger docs and existing docs. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Like keep
in mind who's watching you do the things that you're doing and who's like, okay, I could do that. Or my
spouse could do that, or my grandma could do that, or my kids would benefit from this. Yeah. That could
versus like, whoa, that's scary.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:31:01):
That could go wrong really quickly. In the world of social media
Justin Grabouski (00:31:03):
Though, we're a little somebody, we're a little biased in this room, but I think the majority of people in
America are still pretty scared of chiropractors. Okay.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:31:10):
So let's talk about that. We were gonna talk about the misconception that still happens today,
<affirmative>. And so what I had said was that I, my assumption is that there's probably people who think
that you're never gonna get free of your pain and you're just gonna keep going every week and paying a
paying it's a
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Rack. Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative>.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:31:26):
Yeah.
Emily (00:31:26):
Quacks and a racket. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Is kind of like the mm-hmm
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:31:28):
<Affirmative>. Yeah. Yeah.
Emily (00:31:29):
What
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:31:29):
Other misconceptions are out there that you'd wanna debunk or like put people's minds at ease?
Justin Grabouski (00:31:34):
That it's unsafe I think would be like the first one. Okay. You know, I know somebody who knows
somebody who knows somebody who ended up in the ER after an adjustment, which does happen. I
mean, I'm not gonna lie about that. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But the Okay. Fun. You love fun facts. You
guys do, who has, who has the lowest malpractice insurance of any medical provider in the world? What
Melanie Wight (00:31:54):
Really
Justin Grabouski (00:31:55):
Chiropractors do. Really? Now
Melanie Wight (00:31:56):
That's
Justin Grabouski (00:31:57):
Interesting because we're the safest. That's right. Okay. And nationwide. That's interesting. You're looking
at anywhere from it was 90 to 92% random study of anybody walking into a chiropractic office is satisfied
and happy with the results that they're getting. What other medical profession can say they have a 90 plus
percent patient satisfaction. Yeah. Statistic. That's a good point. It's wild when you think bot my Botox
provider. Right. Well there you go. <Laugh>. <laugh>. We'll
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:24):
Get into that episode next week. Yeah. So we
Justin Grabouski (00:32:26):It is incredibly safe. Yeah.
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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:28):
That's it though.
Justin Grabouski (00:32:28):
Even though it looks incredibly scary, as long as you're going to a well-trained person who's thorough
Yeah. In their examination process.
Emily (00:32:35):
I took my tiny babies. Gabe was
Justin Grabouski (00:32:37):
Like,
Emily (00:32:37):
You haven't met Gabe yet, but he was like two weeks old and he was having like colic and digestive
issues. And I had this, oh, I, he's a beautiful Dr. Dan Moel in Chicago when I was living there. He's
actually in Park Ridge and I still go to him when I'm there for work sometimes if I can see him.
doesn't
'cause Are
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:51):
Cheating on
Emily (00:32:51):
Justin
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:52):
When you go to Chicago. Is that what you're saying?
Emily (00:32:53):
Think that's what you
Justin Grabouski (00:32:55):
Remember. I'm not anti-anything. I'm pro chiropractor, aren't
Emily (00:32:58):
We? Like, are we gonna know?
Justin Grabouski (00:32:59):
I tell people all the time, if you're an hour away and you can't make it down to see me go see somebody
you trust that's close to, I'd rather have you seeing somebody Yeah. Than nobody. Yeah. Like, we're not
that territorial know about it. <Laugh>. I just want people doing well. But I didn't pediatric, I didn't knowbabies
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:33:14):
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Were a thing. Okay. So like, I think that what is the youngest? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. You've worked
with
Justin Grabouski (00:33:19):
19 hours old.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:33:20):
Oh,
Melanie Wight (00:33:20):
Did you really?
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:33:21):
What is
Melanie Wight (00:33:22):
The story there?
Justin Grabouski (00:33:23):
What
Melanie Wight (00:33:23):
Did you do?
Justin Grabouski (00:33:24):
I saw the mom her whole pregnancy for prenatal care. This was, it was her fourth child. She had a home
birth and literally the next morning she walked in and handed me her daughter and said, adjust this baby.
And then she got adjusted too. And I'm even like, what are you doing here? <Laugh>? No. Yeah. Rights.
Like how tough are you? How are you walking? How tough are you to get in the car and come see me 19
hours after? But it's very, it was very important. But
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:33:45):
Why did she think to bring her baby? And had she done that with the other three kids? Yes. And just she,
it's And what is it doing? Like it's maybe because the baby squeezes through <laugh>,
Emily (00:33:53):
Like
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:33:53):The odd Well child, it's
Emily (00:33:55):
Traumatic.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:33:55):
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Right? Yeah. That's what I'm thinking right now.
Justin Grabouski (00:33:59):
Even even the womb itself. So we, we go back to our, our ca Leah's pregnant right now and we were
talking about this yesterday and she's like, Hey, make sure you cover this stuff.
'cause She's like three
weeks out. She, she's so
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:34:10):
Pregnant, she's still pregnant, she's still excited. Can't believe it. She's petite. And I'm like, so cute. She's
like half just tell her don't come in at 19 hours. Please. That's,
Justin Grabouski (00:34:16):
I mean I would a hundred percent
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:34:18):
Trust her.
Justin Grabouski (00:34:19):
But even during the prenatal process, so we always say, okay mom first, right? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.
We're always gonna be the place that's gonna 'cause mom's really, especially after the birth process, you
have like your one six week checkup mm-hmm <affirmative>. And they're like, get outta here. Bye-Bye.
They're not supported very well. Yeah. Especially, especially postnatal. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So I'm
always chiropractor, pelvic floor therapist to what I would see as non-negotiables. Even though it's really
hard to do both of those after when you hand a new baby, but mom first. So pain, sciatica, pelvic function,
neck, all the typical mechanical stuff that moms go through. Carrying a baby after that. It's also important
to remember that the sacrum itself and the pelvis have ligaments that go directly to the uterus. So if mom's
crooked mm-hmm <affirmative>. In the pelvis. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Your uterus is not, there's
tension there. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And guess who has a tough time growing, moving, flipping,
turning, getting in the correct position. Or you get a breached baby whose spine is developing without the
proper gravity and positioning. And that's how they then come out. Right. If they've been stuck or wedged
in a certain position, that entire prenatal care, what do you think you're gonna see right when they're born?
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:35:27):
Do we live in a world where doctors and the nurses are bringing that up? Like, Hey, your baby's breach,
here's something you should consider doing.
Justin Grabouski (00:35:36):
They, they do a lot of the really good ones. Do we have a ton of OB referrals now? Oh wonderful. That'sso cool. Because chiropractors, it's, this is important too. We don't turn babies. Okay. That is not what we
do. Yeah. We don't physically turn babies. That is not allowed under our scope of practice. We help moms
body and position and pelvis open so baby can turn naturally on its own. Okay. And the amount of ladies
that come 3, 4, 5 weeks out and they're like, Hey we're breached. OB said, you know, look into this, come
do this. It'll up. Our chances of a baby turning naturally. That's, and the amount of times you see it
happen, it's in it's wild to Yeah. I mean these
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:12):
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Are things I don't know that I find. I bet
Justin Grabouski (00:36:14):
A lot
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:14):
Of people dunno that I find
Justin Grabouski (00:36:15):
Really bad, but they're very open to it. And then if a baby has to be turned, that's an obese job to put the
gloves on and that's not a comfortable process for any mom to go through.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:22):
What about sciatica when you're pregnant? I got that like the last couple weeks or after I believe, I guess
is what it was or after mm-hmm <affirmative>. But like, I mean I could barely walk in the last like two to
three weeks. Is that something that a chiropractor can help with a thousand people? 'cause At the time I
was told you just have to wait until the baby's out and then you'll be immediately relieved. Oh no,
Justin Grabouski (00:36:38):
Not at all.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:38):
Which did happen. But I was miserable. There's for three weeks with Liv.
Justin Grabouski (00:36:42):
Yeah. There's a switch there. So the, the hyperextension that happens when you're carrying a baby is
really tough on the spine. Especially for any female that's already hyper lordotic or in hyperextension. So
those joints just get jammed together while you're carrying the baby. Mm-Hmm. Then you're not gonna
stay looking at the ceiling. So what do we do? Well this comes forward too. So then you're in this
hyperextended flexed position and that pore spine is just compacted all the way through. Yeah. And then
what happens after you give birth to the baby, your whole world is this Oh yeah. For hours and hours
mm-hmm <affirmative>. So your back feels great, but your neck and mid-back are usually a disaster.
Yeah. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so we always prepare people like get ready for this 'cause you're
gonna need us to support you after too. As well as, as the baby back pain. Go back to the pediatric side.
Necks and shoulders getting hung up. The birth process itself is, is very traumatic. And so I always tell
new moms, we, we look out for any baby that's favors one, one side and one side only car seats sleeping.And also that only wants to breastfeed on one side and not the other. And
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:37:45):
That's the torta.
Justin Grabouski (00:37:47):
Similar, not necessarily like full, what's it called? Blown torticollis. But if a baby has a little ketchup there
and doesn't, can't look right without pain, they're not gonna look, they're not gonna look to the right. So
they're gonna prefer to feed on one side and not the other or be in a car seat. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.
Going one way and not the other. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Okay. And so, and if you leave those issues
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in a child as they grow and develop are usually gonna see the compensation patterns that form. Mm Hmm.
Like the most exaggerated of that would be a bad scoliosis issue because hips and pelvis. So there's
stages.
Melanie Wight (00:38:16):
Interesting.
Justin Grabouski (00:38:16):
Burst specifically crawling. They need to be able to extend and support their neck. And then of course
learning to walk. Yeah. How many times is a kid falling on their butt? <Laugh> a day. Mm-Hmm
<affirmative>. Like hundreds of times a day and you think a pelvis isn't gonna get
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:29):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:38:29):
Shifted a little bit outta place there and need a little bit of correction and support and, and so that's
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:34):
So true.
Justin Grabouski (00:38:34):
Everybody asks like, well where does scoliosis come from? Well
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:38):
I did have that
Justin Grabouski (00:38:38):
As a question.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:39):
Yeah.Justin Grabouski (00:38:39):
I didn't
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:39):
Know if it was genetic. I didn't know if it was from birth.
Justin Grabouski (00:38:43):
Combination of all of the things. Okay. Yeah. I mean nobody knows for sure. For sure. Okay. Does it run
in families? Yes. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Is it always the same direction in families? No, it's opposite a
lot of times. Which is fascinating too. Yeah. And then traumas like when you think about just general kids
being kids falling off of bicycles playing. Yeah. And if none of that goes corrected and we're not this
perfect 50 50 balance, you're gonna see compensation patterns and it's better to catch them early. Yeah.
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And let somebody like me fix them now then wait until twenties thirties and go, oh geez. Now we're
limited with how much we can correct some of this stuff.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:39:17):
Okay. So let's get into the modern technology of soft wave.
Justin Grabouski (00:39:22):
Yes. Soft wave. I glad you you brought that up.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:39:24):
Yeah. Which I think I had heard somewhere. Did I tell you that I did it. I watched her do it though. That's
cute. Cool. He was, he was nice enough to have Christie like, do it on my elbow.
'cause Essentially what I
have I guess is like tennis elbow from doing hot works or something like that. But anyway, so we were in
there and talking to her a lot about that. I think I'd heard Mahomes had did it is either she said that she
said that or whatever and I only bring that up just because we're hearing Casey and he said
Justin Grabouski (00:39:48):
The NFL teams have had it for a long time.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:39:49):
Yeah. So talk about what that is.
'cause I didn't know even what it was actually. I didn't know until Ashley
Moore, a patient of friend of mine went to you and told me about it. She had really bad tennis elbow mm
hmm <affirmative>. Which is how I thought, oh, maybe I should have them look at mine.
Justin Grabouski (00:40:01):
It's a really, really cool technology that came out of basically Germany and Switzerland. The Europeans,
you know, they do all the cool stuff first before ah dang it. Yes. <laugh> before big pharma allows it to
come over here. So true. For sure. And so they, it's a, it's, it uses sound waves, which are actually called
shock waves. There's these really high velocity, high intensity sound waves, but they're not necessarily
painful. No.Justin Grabouski (00:40:23):
Didn't
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:40:24):
I can speak to it, but
Emily (00:40:25):
It made your Yeah. Handshake like this.
Justin Grabouski (00:40:27):
It's pretty,
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:40:27):
It was funny. Yeah. I'm just kinda like this on the pillow and my hand would sort of go like that when she
would hit a certain point, like the sound was like, she said it was like a little hammer, like a tiny hammer.
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Justin Grabouski (00:40:35):
It almost feels like a little electric hammer. And it, we always tell people it pushes inflammation out from
an area immediately and you get done and you're like, what the heck did you just do? Mm-Hmm
<affirmative>. It brings 300% more blood flow to an area for faster healing times. And it also, that soft
wave machine specifically triggers stem cell therapy. Your body releases stem cells from the bone
marrow and they repair damage. The other thing that it does, we don't talk about this a lot, but it actually
creates what's called angiogenesis in the body. So your body will create new capillaries and new blood
flow over time and, and multiple treatments in the area that you're treating. Hmm. So it, and it's wild the
results that we see with that thing. So that's our way of treating soft tissue injuries. If you come in with
tennis elbow, there's not a whole lot I can do to, you know, adjust that specific like tendon attachment.
How many times you ankle sprains, hamstrings, knees Okay.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:41:27):
Muscle
Justin Grabouski (00:41:28):
Aches, disc issues. I mean we use it for dang near everything. It's awesome.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:41:32):
What would you tell someone to expect? I'm sure case by case. Mm-Hmm. But like, you're not just gonna
go one time Right. You're probably gonna need to go mm-hmm. A handful of times or whatever. Like
what do you,
Justin Grabouski (00:41:42):
If you're, if you're acute expectation, if you're the basketball player that sprain his ankle in the season and
you need to get back on the field as quick as possible, we kind of go twice a week as needed. Okay. If it's
more chronic injury, an old tear in the knee cartilage, a chronic tennis elbow thing. Mm-Hmm
<affirmative>. One to eight treatments is typically the standard to get started to see a significant change.Okay. Full stem cell production. Full physi physiological effects are seem between eight and 12
treatments total. Okay.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:08):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:42:09):
Total.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:10):
And you had a, you had asked about like, other things that I could
Emily (00:42:13):
I mean I suffer from alopecia androgenetic and the way you talk about that sounds a lot like some, like,
I'm wondering if it's ever been explored for alopecia, but that was
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:22):
Yeah. I thought it was an interesting concept. Like what else it could do. Soft
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Justin Grabouski (00:42:25):
Wave of themselves. Think there's 40 some patents now that they have on their site and it's, it's interesting
too because they're simulating stem
Emily (00:42:30):
Cells.
Justin Grabouski (00:42:30):
Right.
Emily (00:42:31):
It would be
Justin Grabouski (00:42:31):
Soft wave is the brand name. Yeah. And that's like the Ferrari version of the technology. There's a lot of
other knockoff brands. Hmm.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:39):
Like
Justin Grabouski (00:42:39):
An
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:39):El Camino
Justin Grabouski (00:42:40):
Yeah. <Laugh> that, that are that like to borrow Exactly. They like to borrow the research and kind of the
technology for a lot cheaper. Got
Emily (00:42:48):
It. Are they still so they don't work or Yeah, they can do that.
Justin Grabouski (00:42:51):
They can still help things, but anybody who's borrowing the research from the real, they're off patent.
Yeah. So they can Yeah. And so it's, but it's like that with every machine ever nowadays. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:43:02):
And from what I understand, are you one of the few around Casey?
Justin Grabouski (00:43:05):
Yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a few of us around the Kansas City area that have the really nice, the
really nice machine that, that we believe gets, it's just incredible results. We see really cool stuff. And,
and to answer that question, there are so many conditions. There's even like an entire you mentioned your
Botox lady. Oh yeah. There's an entire in the esthetician world, like they're using it to treat like
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Emily (00:43:29):
I'm, that's what I'm
Justin Grabouski (00:43:30):
Thinking. I'm like all sorts of blood flow issues, cellulite, wrinkles. We don't do that. That's not really our
But they're, they're, you can't come be
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:43:37):
Like, fix my spine
Justin Grabouski (00:43:37):
And
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:43:38):
Their purse.
Justin Grabouski (00:43:38):
Yeah. They're trying it for everything. Shout out
Emily (00:43:41):
To meal at Holly day. Everyone. There you go. <Laugh>Justin Grabouski (00:43:44):
One of the main software guys has actually, they've been really wanting to look at the research because of
the angiogenesis and the blood flow for dementia patients.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:43:52):
Oh, okay.
Justin Grabouski (00:43:53):
Oh a LS Alzheimer's, Parkinson's. Really?
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:43:55):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:43:56):
'Cause It doesn't do any damage to the cells. That machine doesn't damage anything. It, it, so it mimics
damage. That's interesting. To create the healing process.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:44:05):
We have a really good friend who,
Justin Grabouski (00:44:06):
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So they're was just diagnosed with als. They're looking, they're looking now at like, what can this thing do
with the brain? Can it slow those things down? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. You know, like how can we use
these types of technologies to help us? Which is gonna be really cool to see in the next 10 years or so.
We'll
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:44:21):
Have to keep up with that. That's interesting. Yeah.
Emily (00:44:22):
Well, sound therapy is also one of the oldest healing modalities. Yep. Ever. Yep. Like across time and
space. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So it's cool that it's been like channeled into this like 300 times. Mm
Hmm <affirmative>. The power you said, I think
Justin Grabouski (00:44:33):
What are, I mean, 16 years. I've never brought a machine like that into a practice except for that one.
Yeah. Yeah. That's how, and I, even if we stopped offering it for some crazy reason next week, I'd keep
that thing for myself. Yeah. A hundred percent <laugh>. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:44:45):
EvenJustin Grabouski (00:44:45):
Though it was stupid expensive, I'd still keep it next
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:44:48):
Year. Ferrari and driveway. Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah.
(00:44:52):
What are things that we're doing like day to day at home? Some of them are obvious, right? Like we're
hunched over on our phones and computers and stuff, but are there other things that we should be
cognizant of to get ahead of inflammation or pain or whatever? Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Are there like
day-to-day things that you're like, you can do this for free. You need to be better about, I mean, even my
kids, you know, I'm like, that's a great question. You gotta sit up straight. You're on your iPad. Right? It
starts so early. I know. So
Justin Grabouski (00:45:16):
Ipads and phones and that's the tech
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:45:19):
Neck.
Justin Grabouski (00:45:20):
Yeah. And it's a wild thing 'cause we haven't really seen fully what it's gonna be doing to the adult spine.
'cause It's still relatively a new phenomenon. Yeah. So I have no idea what some of these kids' necks and
discs are gonna look like in another 30 years. Oh my. When they, when they've started at three. Right.
You know? Yeah. Versus most of us who were introduced to them later on, like
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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:45:42):
Us parents probably need to be a bit more proactive and cognizant of that. It's
Justin Grabouski (00:45:46):
Scary. It's scary. No pressure. I'm as guilty as anyone Your kids are, you know, like we all, yeah. I
Melanie Wight (00:45:50):
Can't control 'em anymore. They're on it all the time.
Justin Grabouski (00:45:51):
Yeah.
Melanie Wight (00:45:51):
They're in college.
Justin Grabouski (00:45:52):
And so anything repetitive, anything that you're doing Oh,Melanie Wight (00:45:56):
That's interesting.
Justin Grabouski (00:45:56):
Many hours a day. Multiple times a day. Whether that's the computer work or the jobs or the phones or
sleeping positions or, you know, I always get after the moms that are carrying baby on only the one side
and never the other man. I don't miss those days. This, this time of year it's reminding the snow shovelers
to like, Hey, switch sides buddy. Like four hours the same direction isn't gonna be goods. So true now for
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:20):
Everything that we do.
Justin Grabouski (00:46:20):
Little things that become very repetitive throughout the day where the human body is not meant to be in
that cycle of balance. Repetition to balance. We weren't, we weren't really evolved that way. Or, or
looking down on our phones and tablets too.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:34):
I wanna quickly jump back. I was thinking of friend of mind who had kidney stones that I think you had
helped with. What are other things that people might go, oh my gosh, I didn't even think about going to a
chiropractor or going to Dr. G mm-hmm
Justin Grabouski (00:46:48):
<Affirmative>.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:48):
I'm suffering from X, Y , Z. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Are there other things we haven't talked about?
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Justin Grabouski (00:46:52):
I think the most exciting one is, is fertility issues.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:55):
Yeah. I love that
Justin Grabouski (00:46:55):
You brought that up.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:56):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:46:56):
That one is, is a really fascinating topic just to support the natural process of, you know, egg travels down
a fallopian tube one month and then the next one the other month and it alternates and every single littlecontraction of those smooth muscle cells like swallowing your food. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Move,
moves it along. So if anything is misfiring or not moving, ideally, then the timing is off. Mm-Hmm
<affirmative>. So most of the time when, when people find me for that and we have this running joke,
there's a woman that's been seeing me for like all 16 years. Wow. And she's known a lot of women with
success with that. But she's always running around and she's like, oh my God, you have to go see my
chiropractor. He gets all these women pregnant <laugh>. And we're like, maybe let's, let's rephrase that,
that maybe we don't put it exactly phrase that way, but I love how excited there's a documentary for that.
Oh my
Emily (00:47:47):
Laugh. Like an amazing story. Like, do you have one of those
Justin Grabouski (00:47:49):
Stories
Emily (00:47:50):
Of fertility of somebody like having a baby after doing everything? And they couldn't,
Justin Grabouski (00:47:53):
Not only that, I've had two that were born on my birthday.
Emily (00:47:55):
Oh
Justin Grabouski (00:47:56):
My God. No way. I mean like talking, like, we're talking like probably between 10 and 20 successful
cases. Just that I can think
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:48:02):
They name their baby Justin and
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Justin Grabouski (00:48:04):
I tried so hard. <Laugh>, I've been trying for 16 years come on to adjustment, adjust my baby that legacy.
They all laugh and they, nobody's taken me up on it yet. Yeah. But talk about, oh my gosh. Talk about a
rewarding thing.
'cause Then I usually, there's so much trust there. I usually get to adjust those kids for
years after. Sure. Yeah. And so these little families, these little like rainbow babies that mm-hmm
<affirmative>. Yeah. That come in sweet. And there's just a whole, and that's such a more and more and
more common thing. Yeah. And almost every time that I see it in the X-rays, there's a pretty wild
curvature in the lumbar spine and the low back where all of those nerves come from to support all of
those processes. Oh, interesting. Yeah. You asked about things that you see on the X-ray and you're like,
Hmm mm-hmm <affirmative>
Emily (00:48:46):
InterestingJustin Grabouski (00:48:47):
Every time.
Emily (00:48:48):
So you won't
Justin Grabouski (00:48:49):
Oh man. I've never seen a perfectly straight lumbar spine with fertility issues to this day. Oh, that's just
me. That's my sample set size. But
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:48:56):
Does the lumbar in our cars do anything for us?
Justin Grabouski (00:48:59):
It helps not enough, but, but it helped <laugh>
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:49:02):
Well I bring it up because my husband like cannot drive without that thing. Like
Justin Grabouski (00:49:06):
Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:49:06):
And I'm the opposite. I'm like, what is this? Like Yeah. Deflate.
Justin Grabouski (00:49:10):
I always,
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:49:10):
I didn't know if I'm missing out on something.
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Justin Grabouski (00:49:12):
I always tell people that have that issue. Like grab a grab like a couch pillow. Yeah. From, from
wherever. Like home goods or have like your car pillow that you can just throw, throw back there for a
little extra plane. Well, we're talking about making us
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:49:22):
Feel
Justin Grabouski (00:49:22):
Real old or plane pillow. It's not an old thing.Emily (00:49:25):
Get your throw
Justin Grabouski (00:49:25):
Pillow. It's, it's a structure. It's s an
Emily (00:49:28):
Airplane. What can we do on airplanes to make that better for us thing, same thing. Sit on a pillow. There
have been, I've been thinking about it. Get the giant pillow on sky ball behind
Justin Grabouski (00:49:35):
You to sleep
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:49:36):
On. Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:49:36):
Because anything that's in the low back, the small of the back is automatically gonna bring posture up.
Ah. And more open. Yeah. Rather it's this, it's this. Like, this is the, the killer for all of us. I know. I feel
like that's me. It's an older
Emily (00:49:49):
Or this
Justin Grabouski (00:49:49):
And that's impossible in an airplane to not be that way. Oh God. Especially if you're, there
Emily (00:49:53):
Was an older lady sitting next to me and she had a neck pillow and then she pulled it out from underneath
her and I was like, Hey. And she's like, works both ways on the neck and on the top and the bottom of the
spine. And I was like, okay girl <laugh>.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:04):
You're
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Emily (00:50:04):
Like, do you know
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:04):
Dr. Justin?
Emily (00:50:05):
I know.Emily (00:50:06):
Well she didn't have it behind the small of her back, so obviously she doesn't.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:08):
Yeah. What do you do as a chiropractor every single day? Like, do you wake up and have a routine or
before you go to bed or in the middle of the day? What do you do?
Justin Grabouski (00:50:17):
For me now I mean I've had five major orthopedic surgeries already. Yeah. We haven't even
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:23):
Touched on that.
Justin Grabouski (00:50:23):
Most of 'em are sports related. They weren't like my job wear and tear. But I do know full well that the
number one and two reasons that chiropractors retire are hips and shoulders. Oh wow. So, and even my,
you know, my best buddy growing up, his dad was my chiropractor and I've seen him go through multiple
knee and hip replacement. He's still practicing, but he didn't get around very well. Is
Emily (00:50:43):
This like the classic repetitive use? 'cause You are physically manipulating. Yes. It requires a lot of, I
mean, you do a, you do something with me where I, you have to twist my lower spine. Mm-Hmm.
'cause
I have a tricky lower spine. And you mentioned yesterday when Mindy was there mm-hmm
<affirmative>. That it's hard on the chiropractor also. And that's the first time I considered that and I kind
of felt bad about it.
Justin Grabouski (00:50:57):
I want like,
Emily (00:50:58):
Thank you.
Justin Grabouski (00:50:58):
You're welcome. Thank you. You're very welcome. Thank you for
Emily (00:51:00):
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Risking That's,
Justin Grabouski (00:51:00):
Thanks for
Emily (00:51:01):Caring about my
Justin Grabouski (00:51:03):
You're very welcome.
Emily (00:51:04):
Fine. So much <laugh>.
Justin Grabouski (00:51:04):
So, and the, the technique that we use, you saw the table. Yeah. Yeah. But you saw how tall it was. You
saw the shape of it. I have everything set up in a way that's gonna put at the minimum amount of stress on
me that it can, doing that every single day. And that's why I use more gentle techniques too.
'cause I can
have a much longer career Oh wow. Helping people without my own showing there. You also
Emily (00:51:23):
Work like half a day. I always wondered about that. That's to manage your pain. Mm-Hmm
<affirmative>.
Justin Grabouski (00:51:27):
Yeah. We'd go, we do the nine 30 to 1230. We do three hours at a time. And then I'd take a nice long
break at lunch, get off my feet, let myself recover, and then go back in. Wow. I never
Emily (00:51:37):
Thought about it being
Justin Grabouski (00:51:38):
A physical profession. You know, not every chiropractor pro practices like we do at the volume that we
do with the amount of patients that we do. Yeah. But even back when I was doing all the muscle work,
like mm-hmm <affirmative>. I could feel it in my thumbs by the end of the week. So there, you mean
there's always a are doing
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:51:51):
Stretches at home? Are you doing postures? Are you just walking? Are you like, what do you
Justin Grabouski (00:51:54):
I I have a stair climber. Okay.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:51:56):
That's
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Justin Grabouski (00:51:57):
My, I've had a big hip reconstruction done. My hip likes that. Otherwise I'm, I'm just much more careful
now. Yeah. You know, I did a lot of years of like really intenseMindy Hargesheimer (00:52:05):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:52:05):
Working out that I'm slow
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:07):
It
Justin Grabouski (00:52:07):
Down a little. Yeah. Now I'm like, ah, this is not as conducive for me as Yeah. Don't you like lift weights
with a neighbor or
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:11):
Something?
Justin Grabouski (00:52:12):
Yeah. I go up and see I have two of my really, really good friends own the Alpha Collective, a really cool
gym. That's right.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:19):
Mm-Hmm
Justin Grabouski (00:52:19):
<Affirmative>. And I told you, you're gonna have have to bring them on too. Yeah. And so he was a
college quarterback. He's had almost as many surgeries as I do. Just had another one for his knee. Yeah.
And so he and I are in there, we call it our old man lunch hour, where we're like rehabbing our knees and
hips and like doing our exercises, bonding over
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:32):
That.
Justin Grabouski (00:52:32):
Taking care of ourselves. Yeah. Telling stories and, and just kind of shifted, you know, I turned 40 a
couple years ago and I was like, all right, I gotta, I gotta make sure my body can last as long as I choose it
too. In this profession. I don't wanna be forced to not do this anymore. I want that to be my own decision.
It's a great question.
Emily (00:52:48):
Go ahead. That just makes me think about your philosophy overall with treating people. And also just
when I came to you being like, I'm trying to lift weights to build muscle, and you were like, some things
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you just can't do. Emily, you know, you were like, you're, you're you, your goal right now is to like, makeit, to be as like, be able to move as much as you can for the rest of your life. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.
Not like mm-hmm <affirmative>. And having been an athlete back in the day Yeah, you are. It was like,
that's a hard pill to swallow. It is. So how do you get people, like, we think we should still be doing stuff,
but what is the reality of aging and getting, what's your philosophy
Justin Grabouski (00:53:17):
Around, you know, I try not to tell people they can't do something. I try and to encourage them to find the
things their body likes to do. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And that can just be
shifting from really heavy back squats or deadlifts to more like single leg step ups and lunch steps and
stability type things that you gravitate towards. And that's gonna be different for all four of us. Yeah.
Yeah. Because my wear and tear and surgeries and your history and like, we're all our bodies are all
gonna like different things. Mm-Hmm. There's no universal, your dancer body.
Emily (00:53:48):
Like all the hours
Justin Grabouski (00:53:49):
Spent
Emily (00:53:49):
Dancing though,
Justin Grabouski (00:53:50):
We all have our own mileage. Right. And that was what my hip surgeon told me. I'm like, dude, I'm 37.
He is like, it's not the age, it's the mileage buddy. Yeah. We all have our own mileage. That is so it's just
what you put your body through that you may not be able to get away with trying to lift 500 pounds off
the floor every single week. Yeah. it's not that you can't do it. You can probably find a, a PT or a trainer to
help support you in a way that you can do it. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But at some point I think we all
learn what our bodies love and what our bodies absolutely do not love. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:23):
And
Justin Grabouski (00:54:23):
I just try not to make mine do things that doesn't love unless I have to.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:26):
But I think that's a good point in a world where so many things are being pushed on you. Mm-Hmm. Yes.
True. Like the latest trend or whatever.
Emily (00:54:32):
Gotta be careful also just listening to your own body. Like I, we all need help with that I think. And
listening to our own guts and listening to our own intuition. And like, usually it's right. Like whatever
kind of we like to do mm-hmm <affirmative>. That's a total flip of like all the being pushed things like of
our culture. Yeah. Just like, do this thing. It's hard. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. What you should be doing.
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Jump
Emily (00:54:48):
On the bandwagon. Well, pur and work ethic, hard work leads to success, right? Mm-Hmm
<affirmative>. Like the way we're founded in this country. And you to just say is kind of blows my mind.
I hear you say like, do what your body likes. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Like really? Is that okay? Is that
all right? Like, is that really allowed? <Laugh>? Yeah. Yeah. No kidding.
Justin Grabouski (00:55:02):
And for me it was, you know, raised by a farmer that's just rubbed some dirt on it and never complained
about anything. And Oh dude, my dad's got his own mileage right now he's dealing with, and I'm like,
buddy, you should have taken a little better carry. So you're
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:55:13):
From Beatrice, Nebraska?
Justin Grabouski (00:55:14):
Beatrice.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:55:15):
Beatrice. How many people live in Beatrice?
Justin Grabouski (00:55:17):
Oh, now maybe 12,000. It's
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:55:18):
Booming. Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (00:55:20):
By 13 when I was there.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:55:21):
Yeah. Okay. One thing that we talked about over coffee, which you do not do, but I hadn't even thought
about is chiropractors for pets.
Justin Grabouski (00:55:30):
I adjust my own dogs, but I don't adjust other animals. I hadn't even thought about this, but I have. But I
have a couple friends that are really big into the animal chiropractic. The most popular are the horse
people. Oh yeah. Yes. They get their horses adjusted more than they get adjusted. Like I'm telling you, it's
wild. Believe
Melanie Wight (00:55:47):
You couldn't adjust a horse. I know, right?
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I thought this
Melanie Wight (00:55:49):
Was
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:55:49):
Really interesting.
Melanie Wight (00:55:50):
Like a huge table.
Justin Grabouski (00:55:51):
What, what does that look like? Big step stools and all sorts. Wow. It, it's really cool. It's a fun rabbit hole
to go down if you ever want See
Emily (00:55:58):
hole. We need
Bentley, if you're a horse chiropractor, we gotta get you on the podcast. Maybe that's the TikTok rabbit
Justin Grabouski (00:56:03):
To, one of my good friends down her chiropractic, one of my good friends down in Lewisburg, she still
adjusts a lot of people's dogs. And like, you'll see 'em limp in and walk out. It's completely unbiased. Just
incredible. Well, we're in
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:56:12):
A dog loving little sphere right here and in the, the studio too.
Justin Grabouski (00:56:15):
I think all these like these little breeds that get all the disc issues and stuff that you see that can't walk or
use their back legs and or
Emily (00:56:21):
The rescue dogs who've like, like literally been hit by a car and have one leg.
Justin Grabouski (00:56:25):
And I had missing or something know I had a buddy years ago, he had an old tiny, like miniature
chihuahua named Cletus <laugh>. And he was kind of, he was getting towards the end of his run and he
said, Hey come adjust Cletus. And I'm like, dude, I, I don't adjust a lot of dogs. He's like, just do it. It's not
gonna hurt. You know, like whatever. And I grabbed little Cletus and he and he bit you and then <laugh>?
No he didn't. But, but like his low back like clunked in under my thumbs and he screeched like I
murdered the poor guy puppy. And he hadn't walked in days and he got up and ran out the door and like
took, I
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Was gonna say, did you run off and
Justin Grabouski (00:56:56):
Took the biggest poop in the yard we've ever seen. And we're both just like, oh
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:56:59):
No way. That's we both, it also helps with IBS even. Whoa. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
Emily (00:57:05):
Which
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:57:05):
Is like, I work
Emily (00:57:06):
In pharma, you
Justin Grabouski (00:57:07):
Know,
Emily (00:57:07):
And it's,
Justin Grabouski (00:57:07):
I hope my buddy Jason listens to this.
'cause We still talk about Cletus.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:57:10):
We'll make sure it gets sent to him.
Justin Grabouski (00:57:11):
Cletus.
Emily (00:57:12):
But IBS is like a huge thing. What are the issues you find yourself treating the most besides fertility? Like
it's, I mean I work in like, I can't believe how many people seem to deal with, with digestive issues.
Justin Grabouski (00:57:24):
There are lots of Crohn's and colitis and ibs Yeah. Patients now. And we can help support whatever they
are doing with their primaries or MDs if they choose to do that. But that's like, like the general nervous
system regulation and the physiology of the adjustment is fascinating too. And I can nerd out about this
for hours mm-hmm <affirmative>. But if you were to let's say draw Emily's blood now and then I adjust
her and then you immediately draw it again and then another five minutes, hour, three hours, you wouldliterally see the neurotransmitter changes. The endorphin changes every time you get adjusted. It
increases white blood cell production for a short period of time. Usually three or four hours. So it helps to
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fight infections. So I tell patients like, if you're sick, come see me for your immune system support. Now
if it's coming out either end stay home.
(00:58:08):
You don't want me pressing on you <laugh>, but it's, there's an entire immune system modulation that
happens with chiropractic. It's why a lot of parents that bring their kids in are like, I take my kids to the
chiropractor, they're never sick. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Or they're sick way less than the other kids that
I see. Yeah. Wow. Now there's probably other things that they're doing at home that are much more
healthy choices that are helping that too. It is playing a big part. Yeah. But it's the physiology of the
adjustment is it's really wild. Yeah. So migraines and headaches especially.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:58:36):
That was you man.
Justin Grabouski (00:58:37):
That's what got you there. This, this week alone, I had a pneumonia case that came in that I caught and
had to send out for just like breathing and lung issues that had turned into pneumonia. I referred out to
UTIs in the elderly population for ladies huge deal too.
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:58:52):
So I'm learning how big of a deal that is them, the community now
Justin Grabouski (00:58:55):
That our parents are ignored, I catch it all the time.
like, what
'cause They come in with flank pain and kidney. It's
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:59:00):
Do you mean you catch it? Like what does that mean? That they're,
Justin Grabouski (00:59:02):
They come in and they complain about my back, my back, my back and it's right over the top of their
kidneys. And then I have to go, whoa, wait a minute. Something's off. Or if it gets bad enough, it almost
turns into dementia.
Emily (00:59:13):
Yeah. They get, you get like,
Justin Grabouski (00:59:15):
My mom
Emily (00:59:15):Had this crazy
Justin Grabouski (00:59:16):
Situation. They very confused. Yeah. That's so scary. They almost, it's almost like, did you take like some
pain pills or something? Yeah. They get slurry. They get confused. That's 'cause the fever gets so bad and,
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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:59:40):
and the slips and falls that happen from the dehydration. It's very dangerous for Yeah. The geriatric
population to be run around with UTIs and I catch 'em all the time. So
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:59:35):
You've done 19 hours to what age?
Justin Grabouski (00:59:39):
98.
98.
Justin Grabouski (00:59:41):
98. Oh my god. That 98-year-old. His like second day ever. You talking about like meeting people the
first couple times he walks out with his 93-year-old wife, still drove, drove themselves to the office,
Robin
Mindy Hargesheimer (00:59:53):
The Cradle.
Justin Grabouski (00:59:54):
And this man walks out and sees like the waiting room just full of people and he just goes, whoa. And he
looks at everybody and goes, ambulance brought me here. Now look at me and does like a little <laugh>.
And I'm like, oh my. Oh
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:00:07):
Goodness
Justin Grabouski (01:00:07):
My god.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:00:07):
That's great.
Justin Grabouski (01:00:08):
98, 1 of my, what's his name? One of my favorite people. I can't tell you that, but dang it, you're right.
Can'tMindy Hargesheimer (01:00:12):
One
Justin Grabouski (01:00:13):
Of my favorite shout
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:00:13):
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Out to him.
Justin Grabouski (01:00:13):
One of my favorite people ever. That's great. Yeah. Still drove himself to the office.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:00:17):
So fun. Yeah. okay, so for people 'cause who your son drawing a blank. Johnny. Johnny. I was about to
say Gabe. Yeah. Johnny wants to get into this.
Emily (01:00:26):
He does. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:00:27):
Okay. So for people that are interested in getting into this field Yes. What do you kind of high, high level
recommend? Oh,
Justin Grabouski (01:00:32):
Oh my gosh.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:00:33):
To do? What
Justin Grabouski (01:00:33):
Do I recommend to do? First of all, go shadow different chiropractors now. Okay. So you can see the
different styles and types and get a feel for like, am I going to love doing this? And spoiler alert, if you go
into any successful happy chiropractor's office and see the interaction with patients, you're gonna be like,
yes, please. Yeah. Because you will show up happy every day. You will leave happy every single night.
It's one of the most fulfilling and rewarding professions you could ever get into. And it also provides an
incredible work life balance.
'cause I don't take my home, my work home with me. Yeah. You know, it's
not like I go home that's plug in that is huge
Melanie Wight (01:01:08):
Every
Justin Grabouski (01:01:08):Single night or I'm on call every single weekend.
Melanie Wight (01:01:11):
When you go on vacation, you're on vacation.
Justin Grabouski (01:01:13):
On vacation,
Melanie Wight (01:01:13):
You're not on your laptop. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.
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Justin Grabouski (01:01:15):
And so I go shadow, see what you wanna do. See if that's something that resonates with you. And then it's
ba you know, basic sciences. Yeah. Whether that's anatomy, physiology, chemistry. You can really major
in any of those things that you want. And then you'll get way more of it once you get into school.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:01:31):
Any schools in particular or really?
Justin Grabouski (01:01:33):
I mean we have, there's actually very few. I think there's only 10 or 12 now across the country. Oh. And
Cleveland Chiropractic College named after Doctors Cleveland. Where
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:01:42):
You
Justin Grabouski (01:01:42):
West is here in Kansas City Was
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:01:44):
Sledding Hill. Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (01:01:45):
The hill. Oh
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:01:45):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (01:01:46):
Yeah. You know, we used to borrow sleds in the middle of the day in like our shirts and ties and sled that
hill.
Emily (01:01:51):You know, there's signs up everywhere that's not liable for your back injuries when you fall down
Justin Grabouski (01:01:55):
<Laugh>. Oh, the kids sled that hill all the time. It's amazing.
Emily (01:01:58):
If
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:01:58):
This occurs, call Dr.
Justin Grabouski (01:02:00):
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G <laugh>. I've become very close with Dr. Your, with Dr. Cleveland over the years. And he is one of the
nicest men I've ever met in my life's. One of the kindest human beings. Yeah.
Emily (01:02:08):
Isn't it one of the top schools in the country?
Justin Grabouski (01:02:09):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cleveland is amazing. There's a new one up in Omaha and then there's another one
called Life that's in Atlanta that are, that are very good. They're all a little different. They all all have a
little bit of a different philosophy with what they teach and also depends on the clinicians that are there.
Yeah. But we're, we're biased with Cleveland.
'cause I, I teach a lot of classes for the students in our
office and so Oh you do? Okay.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:02:29):
Nice. Yep. Very random question, but does AI make its way into your work in any capacity?
Justin Grabouski (01:02:36):
Yeah. Yeah. I had a couple people over the last couple weeks that said like, I was having this and I was
dealing with this and chat. GPT told me I'm having suboccipital neuralgia and there've been a couple
moments where I was like, chat GPT was Right. So you did, you did a good job. And they said go to a
chiropractor. We've had referrals from chat GBT, which is pretty wild. Oh,
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:02:54):
Whoa.
Justin Grabouski (01:02:55):
That's interesting. Interesting ing. We'll get on there and they're like, who's the best chiropractor? Where
do you live? And they like, read our route chatt. That's
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:02):What I need. I need chat GBT to be like, go listen to the Kansas City Bucket List podcast.
Justin Grabouski (01:03:05):
That's right. And then, and then my wife laughs because I always thank chat GPT. I'm like, Hey, thanks
for the referral.
'cause You know, if the world ever ends they'll be like, that guy was nice to us, dude.
Emily (01:03:14):
Honestly, the machines are gonna, but you know, it's like a whole bottle of water.
Justin Grabouski (01:03:19):
She tells me I'm ridiculous, but say thank you. But
Emily (01:03:20):
Yeah. Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (01:03:23):
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Other, other than that, I mean, AI has become pretty good at, at least, well
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:28):
It's
Justin Grabouski (01:03:28):
Of become kind of a hot topic
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:29):
In the medical field.
Justin Grabouski (01:03:30):
So I'm
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:30):
Curious. Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (01:03:31):
What
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:31):
I
Justin Grabouski (01:03:31):
Would imagine it will make its way into more of our software and note taking Yeah. In the future than
anything. Especially for us. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. But like, luckily, I mean, I joked with somebody
recently, I'm like, I don't think I'm ever going to get replaced by a robot unless you want a robot adjustingyour own neck, which I never would. That would be interesting. You, we'll see where it goes.
Emily (01:03:49):
Something that they use in the medical field that I know, like in my world, they might put in scans and
put it through AI and then, or it's really more machine learning at that point, but like different scans of
stuff would highlight what a problem might be. Mm-Hmm
Justin Grabouski (01:04:04):
<Affirmative>.
Emily (01:04:04):
I mean, but you, that takes a bit of the human out of being like
Justin Grabouski (01:04:06):
In
Emily (01:04:06):
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Your study. But like, could they be like, oh, you might miss something and it just allows you to double
check and see
Justin Grabouski (01:04:11):
What Sure. Yes. And this really compared to like
Emily (01:04:12):
Millions of other scans. Right.
Justin Grabouski (01:04:14):
This takes me back to the beginning when we should have talked about like, kind of like our why with our
office specifically. Oh yeah. And I think the, we have really designed the office and hopefully you guys
have all experienced this in a way to combat like the three biggest problems in modern medical offices.
Whether that's chiropractors, dentists, PTs, obs, neurologists, rheumatologists, and what are they, what are
the waiting the biggest complaints? Yes. And not only that, the disrespect for your time. Mm.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:04:44):
There's like
Justin Grabouski (01:04:45):
No acknowledgement. You may wait two hours and then you put in another room for an hour and it's
your whole day is just gone. Yeah. And they don't, it's just normal. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And they're,
they're never apologetic about it, unfortunately. Right. So Yes. Like a hundred percent respect for a
person's time. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Right. With a five star service. That's huge. Is our huge thing.
Also, I think the, the cleanliness of, of a space. Yeah.Mindy Hargesheimer (01:05:06):
And
Justin Grabouski (01:05:07):
We, that was very recognizable. Take a lot of pride in that. Very
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:05:09):
Clean, clean, clean, clean lines.
Justin Grabouski (01:05:12):
I mean that's our, that's our ladies. Do they keep that place spotless? It is theirs. It is very much theirs.
And they do. And also with the service aspect of it. Yeah. And then just again, the, the the rudeness of a
staff and how you're treated. Yeah. And it's rare these days to walk into a medical establishment and be
treated like the most important person on the planet. Yeah. And we believe that you should be, you should
feel like,
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:05:35):
And I was greeted immediately, you know, when I walked in and
Justin Grabouski (01:05:38):
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That's how you kept checking. I know everyone's name. I mean, if you're on my table like Emily, you're,
how, how do you know if you're on my table in that moment? You are the most important person on the
planet to me. Yeah. Like that is, and that's how you should feel. And they know your cars. That's how
good those girls are. Oh really? They know what you pull up in. That's amazing. Yeah. And they don't,
there's no secrets. They just memorize everyone. Yeah. Yeah. That's how good they're and they
Melanie Wight (01:05:58):
Are lovely.
Justin Grabouski (01:05:59):
And I also want, like you talk about ai. Yeah. I want, when you call, if you're gonna make a new
appointment with us, if you're going to call the office, you're gonna talk to one of the ladies because I
want you greeted with that. I want you to feel the warmth coming from them. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>.
And like for us to be like, we can help you with this. Yeah. I don't want you getting an answering service
that never calls you back or does call you back. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. And you miss them and then
like you're just caught in this like loop. You
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:21):
Get the human touch, like
Justin Grabouski (01:06:22):
Literally and figuratively human, there's no human in the loop. Start to finish. And I don't ever want that
to happen with what we do, no matter how busy we are. Right. I want you to be able to speak withanother human being who actually cares about what you need. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:31):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. Love it.
Melanie Wight (01:06:31):
Well, and I appreciate that you take walk-ins. I find that very convenient. Oh, <affirmative>. Mm-Hmm
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:36):
<Affirmative>. It's nice. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. That is nice. You
Melanie Wight (01:06:38):
Do you do that? No. Do you have your standing appointment?
Emily (01:06:40):
I do. Kind of. I come like a little early on Tuesdays. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:43):
That you very much look forward to.
Emily (01:06:45):
Yeah. Heck yeah. And when I miss it, I just feel it throughout the whole entire about
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Melanie Wight (01:06:48):
That's what happened to me. Yeah.
'cause I was on vacation last week. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So then
when I went in yesterday, I was a hot mess. It came out much better. <Laugh>
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:55):
Just momentarily
Justin Grabouski (01:06:56):
When in the old style of practice where I was, you know, spending a long time with patients, doing more
PT type stuff there would there you naturally kind of build a wait list where you can't fit people into the
schedule. Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. So me being me, it was work through lunch, stay late, come in on the
weekends.
'cause I felt horrible turning people away.
Emily (01:07:12):
When did you switch that?
Justin Grabouski (01:07:13):
Oh, 10 years ago.
Emily (01:07:14):10 years ago.
Justin Grabouski (01:07:15):
Yeah. Good for
Emily (01:07:16):
You. So,
Justin Grabouski (01:07:16):
And I kind of, so we set it up, we're like, yeah, we don't want to turn patients away. If you need us when
you need us, it's gonna be in that moment on that day. And we don't want you calling and us being like,
sorry, can't help you. Gotta wait two days. Like nobody wants that.
Emily (01:07:29):
Mm-Hmm <affirmative>. I mean, I think the care we get when we go there is so great, but just the like
why I wanted to bring my son in also when he was like, I think I might wanna be a chiropractor. I'm like,
well here's how you should run your, your office if you have one one day.
'cause It, it is like, I don't think,
I don't know Mel, what you think, but I've never been in such an efficient process either.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:07:48):
Extremely. Efficien. You guys talked a lot about that. Yes. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Thank you.
Emily (01:07:51):
Yeah. Which I just like our, could we have more pressure on us to be in different places at different times
and be moving so fast and like always be here and anytime I'm here I should probably be there. And so
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the fact that you do respect our time is like, makes it quick in and out and I don't mm-hmm <affirmative>.
I, I have it in my work calendar. I have it locked and it's like 15 minutes, the whole entire thing.
Justin Grabouski (01:08:10):
I wanna make sure the mom with a migraine can go pick up their kid from soccer and not have to wait in
an office for an hour and a half. Yeah. Or not get an appointment that day. Yeah. That's brutal. So that,
that just becomes really important to us to make sure we can help you. Mm-Hmm
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:23):
<Affirmative>. This is so random. Last thing and then we'll get into some fun rapid fire questions. The
guy Alex, who just went up the building in Taipei, Taiwan, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah.
Emily (01:08:35):
Alex Honnold.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:36):
I was like, did he go to his chiropractor right after that? Did he go get adjusted after that? What does that
guy do?Justin Grabouski (01:08:41):
<Laugh>. I would want be, I would, I would want him going before.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:43):
Well, yeah. Yeah. Right.
Justin Grabouski (01:08:44):
Because when it comes to performance, it's a great, I get asked all the time like, do I come see you before
I work out? Do I come see you after I work out? My personal philosophy is if you're a runner and you're
gonna go run 10, 5, 15, 26 0.2 miles, I want everything moving properly before you go run. I don't want
you.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:03):
Well kinda like, or like a biker. Like you compared the spine to like the bike chain that needs to be
Justin Grabouski (01:09:08):
Perfectly
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:09):
In line working.
Justin Grabouski (01:09:10):
Yes. I want everything moving and functioning per so hopefully he went before.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:13):
I hope he did too. Yeah. <laugh>.
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Justin Grabouski (01:09:14):
Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:15):
Although man, that guy was not like, you
Emily (01:09:16):
Think that would mess up his back. The thing,
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:19):
Not even mess it up, but like you climbed up an eight story building or whatever your it was, imagine
how with your hands, with your hands, imagine
Justin Grabouski (01:09:25):
How shot your nervous system would be for like a week after thatMindy Hargesheimer (01:09:28):
Guy.
Justin Grabouski (01:09:28):
But
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:28):
Isn't
Emily (01:09:29):
He missing a part in his brain that actually processes stress?
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:32):
They did a study on him
Justin Grabouski (01:09:33):
Last day was talking about this. I've seen a
Emily (01:09:35):
Documentary. Right. Yeah. It's
Justin Grabouski (01:09:36):
Amazing. Without even knowing, I'd probably say Yeah. He's probably,
Emily (01:09:38):
Yeah. Have, he
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:38):
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Has like no fear.
Emily (01:09:39):
Watched free solo. That is such, that is like my favorite sports movie of all time. Sports documentary free
solo. It's so good. So
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:44):
Good. Anyway, sorry, that was my last random question for you. Okay. We're gonna get into some rapid
fire unless you guys have anything else you wanna add about Dr. Justin Grabouski. Well,
Melanie Wight (01:09:53):
He,
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:53):We've covered a lot.
Melanie Wight (01:09:54):
I know. So my daughter's also a patient. You didn't Oh,
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:58):
I didn't know that.
Emily (01:09:58):
Sweetest
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:59):
All in the family. She's the best. She's the
Emily (01:10:00):
Sweetest. Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:01):
Yeah. She's, she's spear babysitter
Emily (01:10:02):
And she's a dancer. She's hard on a body. Yes. So
Justin Grabouski (01:10:05):
Dancing is wild on a body. And, and again like dancing.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:09):
I'm surprised Holly isn't going to Dr. Justin. We'll get Crosby we'll get her there.
Justin Grabouski (01:10:14):
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I'll her there. What? Johnny is a swimmer.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:16):
Yeah.
Justin Grabouski (01:10:16):
Yeah. Like, hey buddy, make sure you're breathing from each direction.
'cause Imagine the recreational
swimmers who look right every single time they're, it is just little things in back to your like in every
sport. Yeah. Yeah. Most gymnasts, dancers, cheerleaders, like they're doing their, I don't know exactly
what they're called. I'm not that you're not a dancer. What is called they're round offs in their directions.
The twist are all the same, there's the same direction lotion every time. Yeah. They don't switch and like
the same dancer team. Typically the turns are 573 times practicing for nationals. Like you're gonna createsome wear and tear in some places.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:47):
I feel like now I'm gonna go through life and I'm gonna be like, makes sense. Oh, too much on the right
side. I'm, I know like to the left side and I'm gonna turn into like a little bit of a crazy,
Justin Grabouski (01:10:52):
You start, you'll start to notice all the things like what about Bob? All the things that you do. <Laugh>
Well,
Emily (01:10:57):
Breaking a bone to realize, oh my gosh. Yeah. I've been using that other one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Rapid
fire him. I wanna hear what you're gonna ask him.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:03):
Yes. We, I won't go through all of them 'cause we have three of us, but what is on everybody's Kansas
City bucket list right now? What do you wanna do?
Emily (01:11:10):
I wanna go to barbacoa and just goes a barbacoa.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:14):
Love it. That's a great one.
Emily (01:11:15):
I'm sure
Melanie Wight (01:11:17):
I am thinking about that. <Laugh>, are you thinking as
Justin Grabouski (01:11:20):
Well? There's two things right next to the office that are coming up. There's a Vietnam cafe that's gonna
open, I just saw this open and I'm so pump and then a slow rise open. They did their soft opening of their
brick and mortar. I
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Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:31):
Had
Justin Grabouski (01:11:31):
To
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:31):
Avoid the, the lines. I was like, I'll wait untilJustin Grabouski (01:11:33):
Yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:34):
Yeah. I not, I, I love we went right to food,
Justin Grabouski (01:11:36):
But if anybody Oh,
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:37):
I know.
Justin Grabouski (01:11:37):
If anybody from Slow Rise is listening to this, feel free to come on down and meet your neighbors.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:41):
Yeah, there you go.
Justin Grabouski (01:11:42):
We love a box of donuts.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:43):
Wait, is that where they are right by
Justin Grabouski (01:11:44):
Here? No, they're down the street away. Okay. I'm just, I'm just trying to remember. Exaggerate just to
Yeah, yeah.
Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:48):
No, I
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