Kansas City Bucket List

 Mindy Hargesheimer (00:00:00): 

Hey guys. Welcome back to the podcast. Really excited to have an industry expert on today. I have Alex  Jabr. She is the co-founder of BodymetRx here in kc. Um, I got connected to her in the health and  wellness space and had an amazing early consultation with her and her fiance, Justin co-founders,  together to understand the body composition testing, the data results that they're providing, people who  are on a health journey to understand more about your personal makeup, whether it is you are looking to  lose weight, you're looking to increase your muscle. If you're looking to better understand what you can  do, um, you know, from meal planning and, and, and cardio and fitness, they get into a very customized,  very personalized approach with you to help you get to the path that you wanna be on, to feel better about  where you wanna be. Um, so if this is something that is of interest to you, if you're trying to work on your  body composition, um, and you have a goal in mind, then this is an episode that you're definitely gonna  wanna tune into and you're definitely gonna wanna schedule a consultation with Alex and Justin to see  what they can do for you. 

(00:01:12): 

So, welcome. Thank 

Alex Jabr (00:01:13): 

You. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:01:13): 

Alex Jabr, co-founder of BodymetRx. You're in Everland Park. Yeah. But you serve all of kc. Yes.  And we're gonna talk about this really cool thing that you and your fiance opened here. 'cause it started in  California. Yes. Is that correct? Yep. Um, and I got in, introduced to you by my friend Ashley. So shout  out to Ashley  . Um, but tell us who you're, and then we're gonna get into  everything that you do. And then I actually brought my test results as well. Okay. Because you were kind  enough to invite me in so I could experience it firsthand and talk about it. 

Alex Jabr (00:01:45): 

Yeah. That's one of the things is I think it's really hard to describe it, especially over email. And so that's  when we were kind of getting into it, I was like, how about you just come in? Like, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:01:53): 

No, I think that's very accurate. I would've looked at the website, or I'm sure I did, and was like, this is  like a foreign language to me, having never gone through it before. Yeah. And then now having gone  through it and then even doing the research for the podcast, I was like, oh, yep, that's that, that, that. So,  yeah. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:02:05): 

And it's kinda one of those things that I find that it, it's almost a challenge. That's our biggest challenge  with establishing ourselves as a business here in the metro, is that, you know, you could open up any at, at  ordinary coffee place and you know exactly what to expect. You're gonna get pastries, you're gonna get  your teas, you're gonna get your options and lattes. And with us, there aren't a lot of testing facilities like  us  . And so it's a little more difficult for, you know, people have never heard of it  before. And so to just convey that. So I really appreciate this opportunity to have a chat about it. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:02:38): 

Yeah. I'm so excited to get into it. Yeah.

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Alex Jabr (00:02:40): 

But like you said, uh, BodymetRx was founded in California. . Southern California, in fact, uh,  Justin and I, my, my fiance who's owner of, of this location here in, uh, Overland Park, we were  customers of theirs. I actually started gonna body metric in 2016, and then he started going in 2020 about  the time we started dating  . And so, and so we've both used these, um, services as  customers needing help, just getting healthier. I mean, if you, you met Justin and, uh, he's a, you know,  about six foot, 200 pounds triathlete Yeah. Has done multiple Ironmans. And when I met him, he was 60  pounds heavier chasing beer. And that was about it. . Yes. That was about the cardio he got. And  I 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:23): 

Remember him 

Alex Jabr (00:03:23): 

Telling me like, I wanna do an Iron Man. And I was like, what's that ? 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:27): 

Yeah. And he 

Alex Jabr (00:03:27): 

Tells me that it includes like, fuck two miles of swimming and a hundred and some miles of biking, and  then you top it off with a marathon. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:36): 

And 

Alex Jabr (00:03:36): 

I thought in my head like, oh, that's cool. Like 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:39): 

I'm really supportive. Okay. Whatever you wanna do. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:03:41): 

And 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:41): 

He 

Alex Jabr (00:03:41): 

Went in, he did the testing, they gave him, you know, a plan and he stuck to the plan and he worked with  his trainer, and the trainer went over his results and, you know, he ran his first half half, uh, iron Man the  next year. And then he's finished, I think seven at this point. Two of them, big fos. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:57): 

Unreal.

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Alex Jabr (00:03:58): 

I'm like so proud of him. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:03:59): 

Yeah. And he lost a ton of weight as he should be. 

Alex Jabr (00:04:01): 

He hasn't drank in six years. Yeah. Just 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:04:02): 

For 

Alex Jabr (00:04:03): 

His own health. And, um, you know, it's just really incredible. And I've had my own journey with it as  well. And so, all that to say in October of 2020, he took a job out here in Kansas City. . 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:04:12): 

So 

Alex Jabr (00:04:13): 

He moved from California out here to Kansas City, and he's like, you know, I really miss having the  testing there. I really miss having these things because you go in for one. Um, but then as you're making  progress in your, you know, tweaking things, you have to go back and retest and see if it's working. And  he is like, what? Which 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:04:29): 

I need to do, by the way, which Yep. 

Alex Jabr (00:04:31): 

Can't wait to see it. . 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:04:33): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:04:33): 

And so he's like, why don't I open one out here? And I thought, well, okay. Like, it just, it seemed like the  so, so farfetched of an idea. Yeah. And he sat down with Marley, the founder, and um, even her coworker  was like, I don't think she's gonna do it. She's never said yes to anybody's proposition. He meets her, she  likes him immediately  . And she's like, okay, let's talk. And it's like everything  just fell into place. Yeah. Everything that needed to fell into place and he was able to open one up out  here. We found the perfect location. We love our landlords  . Um, and really it's  just the, the opportunity to let people know we're there. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:05:07):

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Yeah. Okay. So that was like the first franchise opportunity. Is it even a franchise? We're partnerships  partners. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Okay. So then, um, you moved out here two 

Alex Jabr (00:05:17): 

Years later? 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:05:17): 

Years later. So about 

Alex Jabr (00:05:18): 

Four years now. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:05:19): 

Okay. Got it. And you guys are, you guys are super happy here. Okay, great. So tell us exactly what Body  Metrics is. Okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:05:25): 

So who 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:05:25): 

Is the ideal client Who should be coming reaching out to you as they're listening to this after this is over,  what will they get out of it? 

Alex Jabr (00:05:32): 

Great. So brief for starters, we are a health and wellness fitness, um, testing facility. So   . We are not the place that you go to get meal prep. We're not the place that you go to do  training, but we will give you the data that you need to enhance those efforts. And so the idea is that if, if  you have any concept of data, um, and um, improving anything  . So whether  we're talking systems with work or changes in our body, you can't improve what you don't measure.  Yeah. Nobody has tried to lose weight and has disregarded how many calories they should be eating per  day. Nobody has tried to build muscle and not kept track of the amount of weight that they're building up.  Right. Each week. Right. You have to make changes, you have to reassess and you have to measure it  somehow. Yeah. And you know, I've grew up on a diet like I had  . Dealt with  obesity at the age of nine years old. So I know the mental gymnastics it takes to get into a healthy  relationship with the scale. Yeah. And not to get too far off track, but had I understood   . That I had a lot of, I, I mean I was overweight, but if I understood I had a lot of muscle in  my body  . I would have stopped fighting with it so much. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:06:36): 

Yeah. And you really have enlightened me with that. And I this like, and we'll get into what I went  through and what I've learned from it in the, in more specifics. But I do think that that's really interesting  for somebody who's never gone through testing like this before  . You have to,  you have to at least do it one time with you guys and then of course you'll get to the point where you  wanna go back and see how it's changing, if that's important to you. Um, because I had never done  anything like that. I never had any idea percentages. I'm looking here through like the different, um, you  know, kind of reports testing that you'll get. We'll get into those, but I do, I love that.

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Alex Jabr (00:07:04): 

Well, and I, I realize I haven't answered your first question yet, which is the testing that we do. So  essentially we do body composition analysis. So think DEXA scan  . Um, that's  kind of the gold standard. And we are the, the closest thing to, to the, I guess if you were to do DEXA as  being like your number one, we are a very close number two and the only difference between US and  DEXA is that we do not do bone density. Okay. Which means we don't use radiation, which there's  nothing wrong with a small dose of radiation to check that. But if you're worried about bone density,  that's kind of out of our scope. Okay. That should be between you and a physician. Okay. So a lot of times  people go looking for adex A and they come to us instead. Which you know, either is gonna be fine for  things like visceral fat, which is the fat aligned to your organs. We'll talk more about that. A muscle mass,  muscle distribution, hydration, cellular health. This is gonna get you kind of your overall view and yeah,  it's gonna have your weight on there and body fat percentage, but it's gonna have so much more. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:07:57): 

So that's 

Alex Jabr (00:07:57): 

Like, you know, kind of the one we recommend to everybody 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:08:00): 

For people who dunno what DEXA is.  . Do you wanna get into that or just get  into the, is it cica? 

Alex Jabr (00:08:06): 

So we do the cica. Okay. So DEXA and CICA are both body composition analysis tests, but a dexa, uh,  I'm fairly certain you need a prescription for it. Like your 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:08:14): 

Doctor 

Alex Jabr (00:08:14): 

Recommends you to it or you go to a facility that has it and they have a doctor on staff that you know  writes it basically. Got it. So we are the um, most accurate alternative to dexa. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:08:24): 

Okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:08:25): 

What we hear people talking about a lot are like the InBody and what I tell people all the time, 'cause  InBody you see at gyms, you see 'em at supplement stores and what I tell people all the time, is it No, it's  not as accurate. However, it's not a bad measurement like use it. Yeah. But don't compare it. It's  comparing apples to oranges. You can't look at those two things and think they're comparable. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:08:44): 

That's like the thing that you'll go on for free.  . A lot of times step on. Yeah. I  don't know if you hold something it, I've done it once before, but the little handles I've

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Alex Jabr (00:08:51): 

Done 'em before too. Yeah. Um, the biggest difference with that one is it measures your lean body mass,  which is great  . But the CICA that we do measures your actual muscle mass.  Okay. We know exactly how much muscle you have and where it's distributed on your body. So if you  were to put me on the cica, you'd see that my left leg actually has less muscle than my Right. Because I  never properly rehabbed a back injury that affected my ability to walk on that leg for several months.  Sure. Yeah. So you see those kind of imbalances and you can kind of work with them. So if I was, you  know, wanting to go back to PT and actually work with my physical therapist Yeah. , if you've  ever done pt, you know how challenging it can be. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:09:26): 

Yeah. Um, we 

Alex Jabr (00:09:27): 

Would work on, on rebalancing that and retesting every few weeks to see if the, um, interventions are  working. So that's just one of our tests. Right. We also do a 3D body scan, which allows us to take 600  digital images of your body surface area. I see. Which will give you head to toe uh, measurements. Mm hmm 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:09:44): 

. 

Alex Jabr (00:09:44): 

Um, you know, a lot of people, if they're changing body composition, they will notice changes in their  body shape and size before they know changes on the scale. And this will pick up on that very quickly, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:09:54): 

Which you showed me, I believe your example  . Actually, and I have my report  here 'cause I literally don't care if anyone sees anything , but I mean I went through the whole  thing and it kind of shows like the profile uhhuh . Right. So like going back, if I have made  some progress  . It would show the different line of where things maybe have  become slimmer. 

Alex Jabr (00:10:11): 

Yeah. I call that my Michelin man kind of 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:10:13): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:10:14): 

 kind of bust. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:10:15): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:10:15):

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I use it for, um, online shopping though because like a lot of times Oh, smart. You know, you'll see the,  the measurements and I'll go pull up my, my that's ayq is the brand. I'll pull that up and I'll go, okay, yeah.  I'm actually a medium on this one or I'm actually a large on that one and I'll, I'll just use it for those  purposes. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:10:31): 

That makes sense. I didn't even think about that as I'm looking through this now. Okay.   . Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:10:34): 

And then the third one, we have four total by the way. So the third one is a resting metabolic rate test.  This is a medical grade test that is used a lot of times in bariatric facilities in weight loss programs. And  they use this, basically it's a, you remember being the three in the chair 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:10:49): 

Breathing tube a little weird at first tube. Yep. 

Alex Jabr (00:10:51): 

Oh yeah. I hate, I don't like the little nose plug that goes over it, but you can alternatively just plug your  nose. And the point is just to really like melt into the moment  . Be as relaxed as  possible. 'cause we're gonna find out exactly how many calories you need per day minimum. And I don't  

know if you remember the nineties  . In early two thousands where it was like  1200 calorie diet  . 1200 calorie diet. So we were always conditioned to worry  about not going over, but we were never told the cautionary tale of what your minimum should be. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:11:19): 

Yep, yep. Which I, yeah, we talked about that because I think, you know, so much has evolved over time  and I, I wanna talk about that too. Um, but for example with mine, you guys showed me that basically I  need 1800 calories a day  . And I always would've thought based on how I've been  trained from the nineties that I need 1200 or no more than 1300 or 1500 or something like that, which is  also very hard to keep too. Yeah. If you enjoy food like myself Yeah. Love food as we talked about. Oh, I  love food. Um, but I thought that was really interesting. But you can probably get into an now or later  like, why I need to have that amount  . Versus like, like, what's gonna happen if I  work out Yeah. On top of that burning calories, you know, whenever we wanna dive into that. Well, 

Alex Jabr (00:11:58): 

So come back to that. Yeah. Um, the fourth test I just wanna bring up Yes. Is our VO O2 max test. So  there's a lot of discussion, especially, uh, lately about longevity  . And, um,  visceral fat is very much a big part of it. Body composition muscle mass is a big part of that discussion,  but so is VO two max and I think that's probably the one that's the most intimidating for people. That was  definitely the one that was most intimidating 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:12:19): 

For me. It's the running running on the treadmill. Yep. 

Alex Jabr (00:12:21):

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It's the running on the treadmill, which we do have accommodations for people who may not be able to  run on treadmill. We've had, uh, clients that come in that have drop foot or they have lower back issues.  So we put them on, we have a Peloton bike as an alternative  . We also have the  option if someone is a cyclist and they wanna bring in their bike, uh, to do the VO two max on their  

actual equipment, we do offer that on the weekends special. Okay. That's something Justin does, he's able  to do. Um, but all that said, the VO two max is going to measure your body's maximum ability to utilize  oxygen during exercise. And that's kind of the scientific term for it. But essentially they uses that  information to determine what's your cardiovascular fitness like, what's your health? And there's a  different number depending on your gender and age, but usually, um, above 40 is supposed to be good.  And so if you're not quite 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:13:10): 

There, 

Alex Jabr (00:13:11): 

Okay. You can continue to work out, um, and do different types of zone two training, which we can also  tell you with the results of your VO O2 max to increase that. Um, and then you pair that with your  metabolism test and you look at, oh wow, how many calories do I actually burn  .  When I work out and how many of those calories come from fat versus carbs  .  And so for me wanting to burn more fat, I might go, I actually only need to go on a hot girl walk. Not this  like heavy high intensity 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:13:39): 

Spin 

Alex Jabr (00:13:39): 

Class because I burn more fat at a lower intensity than I do at a higher intensity. Whereas Justin, who's an  athlete, maintains a heart rate of one 40, he's actually going through 200 grams of carbs per hour. So he  actually needs to plan his nutrition around that. Yeah. So how one person uses it is very different  depending on 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:13:57): 

Completely individualized. Yeah. Okay. So to be clear, you have the CA body composition scan that you  start with, um, that's pretty quick, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, and that, that is No, this is the next one, right?  Yeah. Then you have the 3D body scan, uhhuh, , which is the 21 body measurements 

Alex Jabr (00:14:14): 

That uh, yeah, it's multiple body measurements. It use the 600, uh, 600, uh, images. It's That's 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:14:19): 

Right. 

Alex Jabr (00:14:19): 

Infrared images to do. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:14:21):

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Okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:14:21): 

Those both take like 30 seconds. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:14:22): 

Right. Those are super fast.  . Personal metabolism tests  .  How many calories you burn at rest. Correct. So that's where you're sitting. Yep. Um, how many you burn  doing nothing  . Basically working at your desk or whatever. And then the VO  two two max of course how many you burn at different intensities? Yeah. Exercise. 

Alex Jabr (00:14:37): 

That's, so we take all that information, we look at what your goals are, what you're struggling with, we  might pair you, we also work with, um, dieticians that have worked with our company for 10 years mm hmm . We have cardio coaches that can create programs for you. Um, and you know, just  

basically to supplement your stuff or you take this stuff to your people. We've had people take it back to  their doctors, to their physical therapists, to their trainers, to their nutritionists or their meal preppers. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:01): 

Yeah. Yeah. And they can analyze, they can kind of like customize  . Yeah. So I  was gonna say, while you don't make the meals and you don't have  . The gym or  whatever, you have the people that you can refer Yeah. Your patients or clients to, we 

Alex Jabr (00:15:12): 

Have the data. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:13): 

You have all the data and it's your 

Alex Jabr (00:15:14): 

Data. Yeah. So it's not guessing. So if you go on to like online and you're like, how many calories do I  need to be eating? Yeah. When I'm a 41-year-old female, you know, that weighs this much. It's gonna  calculate it based on a generic, you know, um, it's, it's not a bad thing. Like still use that. It's better than  nothing, but it's not going to be the most accurate the way this is. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:32): 

Yeah. So this is really for people who are probably on a more, um, intentful mission that they want to  slim down, get healthier, um, have more muscle mass, um, obviously reduce fat.  

Alex Jabr (00:15:47): 

. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:47): 

What else? 

Alex Jabr (00:15:48):

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So I hate to say we're for everybody because I know that's like a marketing like nightmare. Like they say,  don't say you're for 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:54): 

Everybody. Sure. 

Alex Jabr (00:15:54): 

But 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:15:55): 

You really are. 

Alex Jabr (00:15:55): 

We have clients, um, anywhere from, um, 12 to 90 years old. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:16:00): 

Yeah. I love that. 'cause we talked about even having my kids potentially come in and kind of look at  them. Yeah. We work with, 

Alex Jabr (00:16:05): 

You know, we work with athletes. Um, as somebody who struggled with my weight at nine years old, like   . I have a big heart for that. And I'm like, oh, just like, let, let me help you find  something. Yes. That's so good about your body and while you work on the thing that you wanna fix.  Yeah. And let's do it in a healthy way.  . Um, but we work with a lot of, uh, a lot  of, uh, people who are on GLP one medications.  . So these are your ozempic,  majaro, um, s glide, that kind of stuff. Because there is a very wrong way to take those. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:16:31): 

Yeah. I wanna get into that based on what you know about it. And, um, 'cause we, I of course asked about  that too  . Just to get your idea of like, I'm sure people are coming in all the time  probably asking about it or on it and you know, more. And sometimes we're afraid to tell us we're, tell us 

Alex Jabr (00:16:44): 

They're on it, we're learning. And so we wanna just make sure and once we figured out people were, you  know, taking them so regularly, we learned everything that we could about it. Because the best, the  healthiest way to take 'em is to make sure that you're measuring how your body's responding to it and  you're measuring that you are intaking enough food and you know  . Uh, one of  the concepts we're talking to one of our clients is she can't get it out of her head that she actually needs to  eat food to lose weight. And she's really struggling with that program. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:17:11): 

I would imagine that's going to be a, that is, um, quite common. Yeah. Across the board. Yeah. I mean,  even to some degree I feel like it's sort of ingrained in me to think like, you know, even though I know I  have the data here, it's like, remember  . Get to 1800 calories even though your  mind still has this like 1200 that pops up, you know, as like an image in my mind. Totally. So, yeah.  Okay. So let's kind of dive into that a little bit more because I do think that that's a really interesting topic. 

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And obviously I know nothing about it firsthand from like a medical perspective  .  But the sponge that I am, I hear so much about it through podcasts and reading and everything like that.  And I feel like a big thing now is, um, you know, we're learning more about it, but I feel like one thing  that I hear a lot is that you go on the GLP and people lose muscle  . And that is  going to be detrimental. Why? Let's kind of get into the details of why that is so important and why they  should come in and get assessed with you guys so then they can come up with the plan to not lose the  muscle. Because what happens Yeah. To us when we get to that point, 

Alex Jabr (00:18:08): 

Well, first of all, one of the things that, another approach that we really take that um, I really pride myself  on because I didn't have this, uh, in all aspects of my life, is that we do treat obesity as a medical  condition.  . Like we look at it as, it's not your fault, but it is your responsibility  and we can help you, you know  . Demystify these like mysteries of your own  body to help you have a better approach to it. Yeah. Now when it comes to the, yeah. And, and so when it  came to, you know, there's some people that have some really strong opinions about GLP ones and I'm  like, you don't get it both ways. We can't have weight biases and treat people poorly for being overweight  and then be mad at how they're gonna lose it. So do you think 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:18:46): 

A lot of that out of curiosity started because it all began with, began with TikTok? Like, you know, which  part? 

Alex Jabr (00:18:51): 

The, the glp, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:18:52): 

The, yeah. The kind of like the, um, either the shaming of it  . Or the bias against  it potentially, because maybe it started in a way that wasn't, um, conventional , 

Alex Jabr (00:19:01): 

It was a scarcity because 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:19:03): 

LPs 

Alex Jabr (00:19:04): 

Were introduced as diabetic medications Right. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:19:05): 

For type 

Alex Jabr (00:19:06): 

Two diabetes. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:19:07): 

Yeah.

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Alex Jabr (00:19:07): 

And then doctors were finding ways to prescribe it to their patients that weren't quite type two diabetic  yet, but were definitely on, on a path to become type two diabetics.  . And then  there were shortages. Um, I think that some of the, some of the production shortages were actually caused  by some of the hurricanes that happened a couple years ago. A few years ago. And then you had the two  main companies that were having problems getting the autoinjector pens out. Yeah. And so then you had  people that actually had type two diabetes that weren't able to get their medication   . And there was a lot of resentment towards the people that were on it for weight loss. And  then now it's, oh, well you don't have enough to lose, so why are you on it? So there's a lot of Yeah. I  think it settled down, but you're right. It got very popular on TikTok. Yeah. And I think the discussion  and the discourse around that  . Really contributed to the bias around taking Yeah.  Uh, glp Now it's a lot more accessible though, to 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:19:54): 

Be clear, you do not service the glp. 

Alex Jabr (00:19:58): 

Yes. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:19:59): 

If somebody comes to you and they're either thinking about getting on it, they can ask that of you. And of  course you guys can, you'll talk about your, you know, expertise and give them the knowledge that they  would need. 

Alex Jabr (00:20:08): 

Yeah. Our lawyer will make sure that we definitely say that we do not provide any glp Yes. Because  we've already gotten, we will be clear. We've gotten emails from, um, Nova Nordisk, which is a huge Oh  really? Uh, it's one of the big competitors next to Eli Lilly that produces the medication. And they sent us  a cease and desist to stop selling it. We were like, we're not selling it, but 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:20:25): 

Interesting. But we 

Alex Jabr (00:20:25): 

Were talking about it in our blog. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:20:27): 

Okay. I was like, where did they come across this information? 

Alex Jabr (00:20:29): 

Yeah. They just saw us. That's us talking about it. Our blog. Yeah. It's on No, we do not provide, um,  that's out of our scope and I'm not really interested in prescribing it, but I am really interested in helping  people understand how it works Yep. And how it can work with their body, so  .  For example, we, we did have a client, um, that came in and started taking it. And, uh, they had come in  before they, they started the medication and they came in about two months later they had lost 20 pounds,  which fantastic.  . You know, I don't wanna judge  . You  know, they had a lot to lose. 11 of it was muscle. Yeah. And that is more than 50%. And so, and

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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:21:04): 

They did not know that until of course they did the testing with you. Yeah. They 

Alex Jabr (00:21:06): 

Were so happy they lost weight and I was very happy for them that they lost weight, but they were losing  the wrong kind of weight. And one thing to remember about these medications is as life changing as they  are for many people, they're not muscle sparing.  . And one of the most profound  effects of this medication is this reduction in food noise, which people who deal with a DH, ADHD and  

food addictions  . And obsess, you know, even, um, uh, um, compulsive eating   . While that is such a mental relief for them, it can also kill your hunger cues.  Yeah. Which isn't good. Like we need hunger cues. Right. But, you know, unless you've had food noise,  which I have in the past  . You don't know what that's like   . But you can't go so far that you don't feel like eating. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:21:47): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:21:47): 

Like fasting the whole time isn't the, the solution either. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:21:50): 

So the person that you just referred to, did they have any sense that they had lost that much muscle mass?  So you don't feel it per se, but, so let's get into like why that's so important. I mean, if you're not lifting  weights, if you're not carrying a toddler around whatever the things are, right. Like what are the biggest  detriments to not having the right healthy amount of like muscle mass, what should we be preventing  whether you're 46, whether you're 76 or 16? 

Alex Jabr (00:22:18): 

Well, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:22:18): 

As a woman 

Alex Jabr (00:22:19): 

Who is in perimenopause 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:22:20): 

Yep. 

Alex Jabr (00:22:20): 

Okay. We're we're, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:22:21): 

We're in the club. 

Alex Jabr (00:22:22):

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Yep. We're about to turn 41 over here. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:22:24): 

Yep. 

Alex Jabr (00:22:24): 

Um, one thing my doctor told me years ago, and I loved it, she's like, you better get all the muscle you  can before you hit menopause. 'cause it will melt off your body afterwards. And she was, you know,  somewhat joking, but somewhat serious and 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:22:35): 

She's just 

Alex Jabr (00:22:36): 

Like, the more you can go into menopause with the higher your defenses are  

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:22:40): 

. 

Alex Jabr (00:22:40): 

And one thing that we know is that muscle can be a, a, an indicator of, um, how, I wanna make sure I  word this right. But basically the higher the muscle that you have, like adequate muscle mass on your  body decreases your, um, occurrence of all cause mortality. So it decreases your risk of all types of death.  Yeah. And when you think about getting older  . And you think about people who  fall and then they break a hip and then they go exactly what into 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:23:06): 

Rehab first comes to mind. 

Alex Jabr (00:23:07): 

Exactly. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:23:08): 

They 

Alex Jabr (00:23:08): 

Fall because they've lost their ability to, um, you know, move their body and keep their body up and and  protect it. And another thing is too, is that, um, if somebody gets cancer, which breast cancer runs  rampant in my family . You have a better chance at success with the, with the chemotherapy if  you have high muscle mass. Okay. I don't know why exactly  . Um, that's just a, a  statistic that I learned about and that was enough for me to go, okay, this is, this is really important, but  Yeah. Um, and you also look a lot better with muscle. Like, let's just admit that it's not just about health  and wellness, it's not just about how you feel. It gives you 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:23:40): 

Yeah. It's a boost in your confidence and huge.

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Alex Jabr (00:23:42): 

Yeah, absolutely. And you have the strength to do this stuff. I mean, you know, we were talking about the  traveling that I do for my, my other gig and, you know, getting the, i I can shove a lot of luggage into my  carry on, so I need to be able to get it up over my head. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:23:56): 

Okay. Another good example, you don't think about like 

Alex Jabr (00:23:58): 

Functional, it's just, it's about being functional, being able to get yourself up, um, off the floor if you, you  know, wanna play with your kids and then Yeah. You know, moving stuff. And so it, it just has a lot to do  with  . Overall health. And, and personally, I will say this, and this is just my own  anecdotal observation, is that when we have clients come in, and I used to be a paramedic as well, both of  

us were actually paramedics. Yeah. We're still licensed, but we don't work in the field anymore. I'm  medically retired  . But when we have clients, I'm, so for that reason, I'm really  good at guessing ages. Okay. Whether kids or adults. Like, I'm usually really good at it. And when I have  a patient, a patient, sorry, when I have a client 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:24:32): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:24:33): 

 come in, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:24:34): 

I think I said patient earlier too. I 

Alex Jabr (00:24:35): 

Might, I 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:24:36): 

Get the terminology right when I 

Alex Jabr (00:24:37): 

Have a client come in and they like, just look really good for their age  . And I'm  like, are you really 78? Like, I'm thinking to myself like, are you really 78? Or you know, we have a  physician that comes in and he's, you know, 60, I think he's 66, 68, he is in better shape than some of our  teenagers looking 48. I'm not even kidding. Yeah. Yeah. The man has so little fat on his body, he's just  jacked from muscle.  . It's crazy to see it. And so, you know, when I look at those,  the people that just age well, yeah. They have three things in common. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:09): 

Okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:25:10): 

Which is high muscle mass.

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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:11): 

 . 

Alex Jabr (00:25:12): 

Low visceral fat, meaning they're waist. Yep. Okay. So we can be healthy at any size. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:17): 

It's definitely something that I'm always thinking about. Yep. 

Alex Jabr (00:25:19): 

Yes. This is where 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:20): 

The foodie that I am, I know the wine drink that I am. Yep. 

Alex Jabr (00:25:22): 

Know that's the we call, um, for me cabby, that's the cabernet 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:26): 

Cabbie. Oh, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna totally these shard or something like that. Yeah. But, but visceral  fat is only right here. Is that correct? Visceral fat is 

Alex Jabr (00:25:32): 

The fat that lunch 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:33): 

I could be your butt too. 

Alex Jabr (00:25:34): 

Nope. Nope. That's subcutaneous and 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:36): 

That 

Alex Jabr (00:25:37): 

Kind of fat, I don't mind a little bit of fat there. Right? 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:40): 

Yeah, that's fair. 

Alex Jabr (00:25:41): 

, there's a little bit of Yeah. You know, subcutaneous fat, I try to remind people like has purpose,  it's part of our endocrine system. It keeps us warm, it keeps us protected, it gives us curves. It has mm-

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hmm. Um, functionality too much is not good. Yeah. But we never wanna get rid of all of it. And then we  lose, you know, you lose, um, menstruation when that happens if you go too far down. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:25:59): 

Okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:26:00): 

Um, and I'm sure it has similar issues on, on the masculine side with, with their 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:26:05): 

Hormones. 

Alex Jabr (00:26:05): 

Yeah. But the visceral fat increases, the higher the visceral fat. And basically this is like, um, people are  familiar with, um, like fatty liver disease. That's not the only organ that's subject to problems, but the  visceral fat will increase, uh, the risk of type two diabetes, coronary artery disease and like eight or 10  types of cancer. It's, it's very 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:26:26): 

High. So I remember you telling me that and that definitely was like, um, that stood out to me. Yeah. You  know, because for me it's more vanity, right? Yeah. It's like, gosh, I really wanna lose that fat, but  sometimes I'm just not willing to do enough about it because I'm gonna go out to eat again or whatever.  Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I hadn't thought about the fact that underneath it all, it could be leading to eight to  10 diseases. Yeah. Higher risk of, higher risk of  . Um, which is obviously really  important to think about, especially being a mom  . With kids, just all the things  that I'm just not, that's not the first thing that I think about, you know? And so that was an eyeopener  Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:27:00): 

For me too. And so when I see someone who has a low visceral fat, a high muscle mass, or adequate, I  should say not, not, um, uh, too high, but an adequate muscle mass, low visceral fat, and, um, a healthy  BO two max, those people are aging well and they're aging independently. I don't think people really  understand the importance of that. But they're aging well, they're aging independently. They're living  independently. Um, their kids aren't afraid of them, you know, falling over and breaking a hip when  they're not there. They're not trying to put a life alert on them at around the holidays. Yeah. We had those  discussions. Yeah. You know, and so, um, those are really the big, the big three. Um, and we have the  testing to, um, help you not only track where you're at, but how to get to where you want to be. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:27:43): 

Yeah. Okay. So on the visceral fat subject, because we talked about, um, you know, one of the things that  you can do is you can talk about custom meal plans.  . You do that with the what?  Nutritionists Yes. Have, yes. 

Alex Jabr (00:27:55): 

Dietician with 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:27:56):

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The dieticians. Um, and are they in your location or do you just partner with them elsewhere? 

Alex Jabr (00:28:01): 

They have been partnered with us, with the company itself for over 10 years. Okay. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:28:04): 

Um, 

Alex Jabr (00:28:05): 

And so, yeah. So what they do is they basically do an intake. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:28:07): 

Yeah. Um, 

Alex Jabr (00:28:08): 

And then they exchange via email. So this can all be done virtually, but they're there for support  depending on what package that they use, they can get additional support from them. Okay. Um, we go  to, we, we have a couple different ones that we go to for different things. Like one of 'em, um, works  great with, um, we like sending women to her  . Just because of, you know, her  own experiences with it. Sure. And then we have got another one who's got a specialty certificate in, um,  adolescent ale, uh, athletes. Okay. So any athletes that we have, she's perfect for them because she has an  additional training  . And that's just kind of her niche. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:28:39): 

So Yeah. Is that something that you wanna talk about? Like, for example, one of the questions that I had  is we're hearing so much about get your protein and get your fiber. Yeah. Like, is that something that we  wanna get into or is that something that's more like, Hey, great questions, but really what you wanna do is  get connected with the, your team to figure out what makes sense for you. Yeah. Based on what the data  shows. 

Alex Jabr (00:29:00): 

That's a great question. We're always gonna be an advocate for both. We're not prescriptive with either.  Yeah. Just because of the fact that we aren't the dieticians  . But what the dietician  can do, so you go to our dietician, you could, um, add macros to, you could add macros to your plan.  Yeah. Or you could add an actual meal plan  . And, um, they'll calculate all that  for you, but they'll actually take your tests. They're used to working with our tests   . So they'll wanna know, what are your goals? What are your, what are your circumstances?  What do we need to know about your eating habits? We had one guy that was like, I don't cook, so you  better figure it out with fast food and Chipotle. And they were like, okay, this is gonna be a challenge.  And they had to fit it into his macros. And we had another client 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:29:39): 

And they figured it out 

Alex Jabr (00:29:39):

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And they figured it out. Nice. And I had another client that, um, she said, I will not, you know, be retiring  my four ounces of wine each night. Four ounces of wine and a piece of chocolate   . So that was factored in every single night. Yep. And so we really, I mean, everything  about what we do can be customized. Yeah. At least we, we go above and beyond to make sure that it  can, we had a client that said, I don't want to know. They came in for a body composition scan and they  said, I can't see my weight. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:30:06): 

Okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:30:06): 

Like I, they had a, a previous bad history with it. They were like, I wanna know my body composition   . But do not show me my weight. So we turned the little screen away from it. And  then we created a, basically, you remember when you saw that big screen and we had all your stuff. We  used a, we had a special dropdown for her that did not display her weight 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:30:22): 

Anywhere. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:30:23): 

Like we just, you know, we want to make people feel psychologically safe. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:30:26): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:30:26): 

It is such a vulnerable experience. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:30:28): 

Yeah. And I was gonna say, like we obviously will talk about that. We wanted to talk about that here, but  even on your website, you make that very clear  . Like, this is a no shame. Yeah.  Like very transparent environment, whatever it is that you guys need, whatever it is to help them feel  welcome and good and comfortable. Like you guys make that very clear that that is like the of the utmost  importance to everybody. So Yeah. I love that. Um, okay. So when it comes to, um, you know, other,  like, people are coming in generally for weight loss.  . Increase their muscle mass.   . And meal plans and what else have we not covered that is kind of the ideal  person that would be looking to like, they, that they would get with you that they can't get with other  people here around Casey? Essentially athletes. 

Alex Jabr (00:31:11): 

Athletes 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:31:11): 

Work with athletes, a big one. 

Alex Jabr (00:31:12):

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Athletes. So 

(00:31:13): 

We, we work with a lot of youth athletes. Um, but also, you know, you're, you're weekend warrior, your  person that wants to go, you know, get a triathlon in, or maybe they're training for their first marathon or  maybe they are already an endurance athlete. We've got an event, um, that we're doing with a, with a local  group of endurance athletes on Monday. And they're coming in, they wanna, they're like, what? You  know, how could, uh, they wanna learn more about VO two max tests  . And what  it could tell them about, um, about themselves and how they can improve. Okay. Because you can't  improve what you don't measure.  . So if you are going out there and just  throwing a few weights around and you know, walking a little bit, but you're not actually measuring what  you're doing, it's a little harder. It's like, yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:31:50): 

You 

Alex Jabr (00:31:50): 

Know, you're, I don't know how to explain it better than, um, would you ever cook something for the first  time without a recipe to guide you? Maybe? Um, would your accurate maybe baking. Baking is a better  one. Baking is part of a science. Yeah. Okay. Would you ever try and bake a homemade, um, you know,  from scratch cake  . Without at least glancing at something and using that to  measure. And I mean, that's maybe not a great example. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:11): 

No. But I think it is. I mean I think most people probably would know that baking has to be so precise to  get it right to the end 

Alex Jabr (00:32:17): 

Goal of what you're It helps. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:17): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:32:18): 

It helps. Yeah. And so we, we take these assessments, give you data directly from your body. It's not ours,  it's not our get, it's not guesstimating. It's taking the guesswork out of it. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:28): 

Yeah. Um, 

Alex Jabr (00:32:29): 

So that you can kind of, um, have a little bit more guidance with your approach. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:32): 

Yeah. What are some things that you, you see people doing on the daily that we might not know could be  hindering our ability to be, um, I guess optimally healthier?

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Alex Jabr (00:32:45): 

Undereating, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:46): 

Undereating. 

Alex Jabr (00:32:47): 

Undereating. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:32:47): 

Yep. 

Alex Jabr (00:32:47): 

Even our patient, or even our clients, um, even our clients who are struggling with losing weight  oftentimes are in a, um, fast and binge cycle.  . They don't even realize their  eating is disordered. Okay. Um, and I, and I should say that, uh, very gently. I'm not trying to say a bunch  of people have of course, you know, disordered eating, but Yeah. Um, you know, one of the things I  noticed, so I used to do intermittent fasting  . And I mean, I listened to all the  books and I heard all the things and you know, I read that if you fasted at least nine hours each night, it  reduces your, you know, there was some stuff about cancer risk. And so I was interested in that. But what  I found was that when I intermittent fasted, number one, it was super convenient for me.   . I got used to skipping meals 'cause I worked on an ambulance where you didn't get time to  eat. Right. You know, every few hours. You just had to work through it. And I think that actually  conditioned me. I spent 15 years on an ambulance ignoring my hug hunger cues  .  Which made it really easy for me to fall into fasting and call it health. Yeah. I could not get my protein in,  in that window. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:33:45): 

Right. 

Alex Jabr (00:33:45): 

And so that's when I kind of dropped in was like, I think that it could be good for some people if you can  get your minimum amount in for the day. That, that, that was the, the intermittent fasting, that kind of  window feeding time was, you know, spent eating one meal, not a whole day's worth of, of food. So I  couldn't get my protein in. Um, and so what I see is people will, they'll undereat undereat undereat until  they don't, and then they over consume the wrong thing.  

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:34:11): 

. Or 

Alex Jabr (00:34:11): 

They just go so many days without eating enough. I mean, the amount of people that are, you know, that  we see that are eating maybe 20 grams of protein per day. I mean that doesn't give your body anything to  work with when it comes to, um, workouts. And then 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:34:24):

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They're, you 

Alex Jabr (00:34:25): 

Know, fatigued and they're 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:34:27): 

That's what I was the same. What do they end up feeling? Yeah. Lethargic, fatigued. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:34:31): 

Unmotivated. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:34:32): 

I just 

Alex Jabr (00:34:32): 

Wanna sit on the couch and scroll. I'm not sleeping. Well, they might, um, yeah, they might 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:34:38): 

And they might as they might associate that with stress from work. Absolutely. Depression. Yeah. Um,  the weather, not necessarily the actual like balance of what they're eating Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:34:48): 

And all those things can contribute 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:34:49): 

To it. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:34:50): 

You know, I'm not um, of course Yeah. Minimizing those things. But you're right. It's like it, but  sometimes we can't control the weather. Sometimes we can't control our, our depressive episodes that  come on  . When they do, we can't control certain external factors and stress, but  we can control how we nourish ourselves. And going back to it, I think this is a great segue to go back to  that 1800 calories. Yeah. Before I understood, um, before I was a client to BodymetRx and before we,  you know, opened our, our business here, a location here, I would've taken, I need 1800 calories and I  would've cut 500 from that because that's what you were told to do.  . Cut 500  calories a day at the end of the week you've cut 3,500, you lose a pound a week. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:35:24): 

 . 

Alex Jabr (00:35:26): 

No . Yeah. 1800 is not only my, we will say it's mine 'cause I think mine's about the same. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:35:31): 

Okay.

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Alex Jabr (00:35:32): 

1800 is not only my baseline, it's also my goal, caloric intake if I wanna lose weight. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:35:39): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:35:39): 

My maintenance is actually 2300. Hmm. So when your maintenance, like meaning I don't wanna change  anything, it's 2300, you cut 500 off of that and you have 1800. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:35:49): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:35:49): 

Okay. So it would be like trying to put one gallon of gas in your vehicle and trying to drive up to Des  Moines. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:35:59): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:35:59): 

Are you gonna make it? 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:00): 

Nope. 

Alex Jabr (00:36:01): 

No.  

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:01): 

. 

Alex Jabr (00:36:01): 

The difference between your car and your body is that your body is so intelligent   . And it will adapt to that one, uh, gallon of gas. Right. It will adapt to that 500 calories mm hmm . But you're not gonna like the results. Right. You know, it's gonna slow down your  digestion, it's gonna slow down your systems, it's gonna make you tired because it doesn't want you to  work out. Right. And our brains use so much fuel as well.  . So I'll even, so I'm in,  you know, one of the things I do is continuing education for MS providers. Yeah. I have to make sure.  And I don't like eating in the morning, so I still eat I or I don't fast. Um, but first thing in the morning is  very difficult for me. Okay. But if I'm gonna be filming that day, tough. Tough. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:37): 

Yeah. Like

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Alex Jabr (00:36:38): 

Push 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:38): 

Through, 

Alex Jabr (00:36:38): 

Choke it down, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:39): 

Tough it. 

Alex Jabr (00:36:40): 

Yeah, exactly. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:40): 

 . 

Alex Jabr (00:36:41): 

You know, put it down and get, get some carbs in there. Yeah. Because 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:43): 

Your 

Alex Jabr (00:36:44): 

Brain needs it. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:36:44): 

Yeah. Okay. Um, and you mentioned, uh, eating 20 grams of protein is like a hundred grams of protein.  Sort of like an easy reference for, is that right for women what we should be eating or do we even get into  that? 

Alex Jabr (00:36:56): 

It it's different for just as a rough guide for everybody. Yeah. Um, I, it's different for everybody. It's not a  bad goal. Um Okay. It's not a bad goal. I think what we used to be told was that your body couldn't take in  more than 35, I think at a time. And, and more 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:37:09): 

Recent 

Alex Jabr (00:37:09): 

Research has suggested that that's not actually true and it also led to people just not eating enough period.  Yeah. Yeah. Um, but like I drink a, a Fair Life protein shake had 42 grams of protein. Right. And  sometimes that's just, you know, all the time and effort that I have. But I'll, I'll make sure I get that in. 

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Um, generally speaking, yeah. A hundred seems to be, um, like a TikTok recommendation. We'll put it  that way. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:37:31): 

Okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:37:31): 

Okay. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:37:31): 

No, this is what I wanna hear. Yeah. Because I've actually had other episodes where we've talked about  like watch out for misinformation on tiktoks. Yeah. And this is where I would love to debunk anything or  help people's 

Alex Jabr (00:37:39): 

Be aware. I I'm sure that's, that that a hundred is not right for somebody. And that's where we will tell  people, Hey, you need to eat more protein. Yeah. And you need more fiber, fiber will really help with that  visceral fat. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:37:50): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:37:50): 

And that, um, blood glucose regulation. But, um, we always, always, always refer people back to our  new, to our dieticians. Okay. Because 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:37:56): 

They're 

Alex Jabr (00:37:57): 

The ones that are going to calculate the right amount of macros. Um, and you know, if another thing that  we tell people is if they find out that they're supposed to be eating 2,500 calories a day, 'cause we've had  that  . And they're like, I am eating like 1300. Yeah. The goal is not to eat 2,500  the next day. Sure. It's, it's like a slow, it'll be a big adjustment build. And, and our, our dieticians do talk  

to them about the, the kind of scheduling increase and you know, take a minute, you know, let your body  settle, retest, see how it's liking it, and then go from there. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:25): 

What about somebody like me who eats out  . A lot  . And  we talked about this, but, um, how would you recommend for somebody who doesn't like to cook at  home? Yeah. Who, who likes to eat out a lot. Not even necessarily fast food, fast casual, but um, you  know, loves to go out on the Kansas City restaurant scene. Yeah. Like, what's a good way to help  somebody count calories? Yeah. Um, or kind of stay on track. 

Alex Jabr (00:38:49): 

I would say start with just logging what you're eating. Okay.

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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:51): 

If 

Alex Jabr (00:38:52): 

You can just log what you eat, that is like a first step. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:56): 

 . 

Alex Jabr (00:38:56): 

Towards just being aware. It's, it's creating body awareness too. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:38:59): 

And 

Alex Jabr (00:39:00): 

I think that's one thing where, you know, you asked me about that one client that lost 20 pounds and 11 of  it was muscle. And you asked did she have any, um, awareness of it. A lot of times we have this  dissociation between our mind and body, so we don't actually feel those changes. The same thing goes  with the amount that we eat  . And so when someone goes from not tracking  anything, I always recommend just write it down. Yeah. Like start having an awareness and start asking  yourself, oh, I, I kind of overate that day.  . Oh it's probably 'cause I skipped  breakfast. And so start looking for patterns. Okay. And then track macros. Don't worry so much about  calories. Um, look at 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:39:33): 

Macros and what does that mean exactly to track? Great 

Alex Jabr (00:39:35): 

Question. Um, so macros are gonna be grams of protein, grams of fiber, grams of, um, carbohydrates,  grams of fat. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:39:42): 

Okay. Got it. So if I go out and have the chicken spa 

Alex Jabr (00:39:46): 

 . Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:39:47): 

Do a quick search Yeah. And kind of figure out what that would look like. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:39:50): 

And so even if it's not a hundred percent accurate, at least you're getting an idea. Yeah. Mindy Hargesheimer (00:39:53):

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And 

Alex Jabr (00:39:54): 

Then finding 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:39:54): 

Ways, some context around what you're 

Alex Jabr (00:39:56): 

Yeah. Adjusting and then finding ways to work with it. Because the thing that we don't wanna do is we  don't wanna create anything. We don't wanna recommend anything that's not sustainable. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:40:04): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:40:04): 

Um, and like I said, we are, so one of the things to know about us is we're a safe place to tell all of your  crazy diets to  . Okay. And like, we've had some people come in where, I mean, I  won't recommend any of them Right. Because we're number one, we're not the nutritionist, we're not the  dietician. But number two, um, we do believe that everything works for somebody, but nothing works for  everybody. Yeah. Right. So some people GMPs aren't gonna work. Uh, for some people vegan diet's not  gonna work or whatever it is that they're, they're called to. But we had a client come in who's on a  carnivore diet. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:40:36): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:40:37): 

And that's not a diet I, you know, I mean, like I said, I don't recommend any of them. Right. Not that I'm  not saying they don't work, it's just we're very non-denominational, I guess 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:40:47): 

Diet. Yes. You have the data to lead down the next path. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:40:49): 

So they come to us and say, I'm gonna do this diet. It's like, okay, cool. We're doing your, your scan now  let's come back in six weeks and see if your body actually likes it. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:40:57): 

Uhhuh . 

Alex Jabr (00:40:58): 

Right. Like, let's just see if your body actually likes it. This guy was able to complete a half iron man  having eaten a porterhouse steak the night before.  

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:41:10):

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. 

Alex Jabr (00:41:10): 

And a rack of ribs and nothing in the whole day. I'm not recommending this either. This is not a 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:41:15): 

Recommendation. No. But I like the stories, I like the anecdotes to kind of hear the different cases. It's  just, you 

Alex Jabr (00:41:18): 

Know, so I'm doing his, okay, so lemme back up. I 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:41:20): 

Think it really supports the fact that you should come in and do this for yourself because you literally  cannot compare what you're doing to anyone else. 

Alex Jabr (00:41:27): 

Yes. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:41:27): 

And so 

Alex Jabr (00:41:28): 

He comes in, he does his VO two, or I'm sorry, his um, resting metabolic rate tests. That's 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:41:32): 

The 

Alex Jabr (00:41:32): 

Tube in your mouth and we're gonna tell you how many calories you burn at rest. And his is like through  the roof. Of course he's got a lot of muscle in his body. He's in his sixties. Yeah. He's got a lot of muscle  on his body and he's an athlete.  . And I look at him, I was like, oh wow, you're  burning a hundred percent fat. And he goes, well I should be, I haven't had a carbon a year. And I went,  really? Okay. And I was like, are you low car? He goes, I'm carnivore. I was like, interesting. Okay. I  wouldn't have guessed that based on everything that we had, you know, talked about, um, very healthy.  Yeah. Very healthy individual. That's not to say that carnivore is healthy, it just worked well with his  body. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:04): 

Not everybody can take that and run with it. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:42:06): 

And I'm not saying it is or isn't is my bigger point. We have a very neutral attitude towards people's, you  know, interventions. We just say, what does the data say? And the data said yes.  .  For him. And so we actually did his VO two max after that. And his, his being a hundred percent fat 

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burner paired with being an athlete. I was like, this is gonna be a long test. And it was, I ran it for like 27  minutes. It was awful. . 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:29): 

Oh my gosh. 

Alex Jabr (00:42:30): 

Because he just said, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:31): 

Well, you know how, how far I made it, I definitely wouldn't have made it . 

Alex Jabr (00:42:34): 

No. I get cut off like at 12. I'm not 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:36): 

A runner. 

Alex Jabr (00:42:36): 

Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:36): 

Not being the runner as well, but it 

Alex Jabr (00:42:38): 

Gives me an idea of what their body is going to do. Because the goal of the VO two max test is to get you  to a hundred percent carb burning.  . And he just kept trying to dip in a fat dip in,  he was so efficient at burning fat  . That he just kept dipping into a fat, even when  we had him maxed out. And, um, it was just, it was really interesting. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:55): 

It 

Alex Jabr (00:42:56): 

Was really interesting. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:42:56): 

Now did he come in one time or did he come back? No, he's come in multiple times. Yeah. Okay. So you  can, can you kind of talk to that? So people come in, they can come in for what, the initial consultation?   . Um, you have memberships, you have like, kind of talk about how people  would interact with you on what kind of like, schedule or ongoing basis? 

Alex Jabr (00:43:12): 

Well, one of things I always, uh, like to remind people is if, if you're not sure, and you're just really  curious, but you wanna be prepared to test if it works out, is schedule a consult with us. Yeah. Um, reach 

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out to Natalie, our office manager, schedule a consult, she'll block off, you know, the hour afterwards. So  if you're interested in getting a couple tests, no pressure, you can come in, take a look. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:43:30): 

See 

Alex Jabr (00:43:30): 

What it's like. And then, um, you can decide whether or not you wanna test there.  

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:43:35): 

. 

Alex Jabr (00:43:35): 

One of the other things, and I I failed to mention in the very beginning is we do have a very strict protocol  to get you the most accurate result. And this is a big difference between us and, um, a scan that you can  walk up to at some random place at any time of the day Right. Is that you have to come in fasted. Mm hmm . You have to come in, um, having no water, um, or food for four hours prior, two or  four hours prior, just depending on the test. Um, no working out prior to  . Um,  and, uh, no caffeine prior to. Yeah. So we do have a little coffee bar. So if come in, I was gonna 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:44:05): 

Say I was definitely served, um, a hazelnut coffee, so thank you for that. Yeah, yeah, 

Alex Jabr (00:44:08): 

Yeah. . So if you come in hypo caffeinated, we will have it waiting for you as soon 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:44:13): 

As 

Alex Jabr (00:44:13): 

You're done. We have water there. Bring your snacks, whatever you need to do. Um, but we do that  because it's trying to keep as many variables  

(00:44:23): 

. Um, out as possible. So we, we try and control for at least those things. We can't control  for cycles. We can't control for hormones, we can't control for what you're doing in between these places,  but we can control for those things that will change the test results if you do them. Yeah. And so, um, you  know, one thing I always recommend the body composition to everybody.  . That  one's a $49 test. It gives you the most amount of information. That's the one that has the visceral fat, the  cellular, um, hydration, the muscle and all that. That gives you a lot of data. Yep. 

(00:44:53): 

And then, um, the 3D body scan also $49. We recommend that only to people who are planning on  changing their body shape. So we do have some people that come in 'cause they're just like, I just wanna  come in quarterly and just make sure I stay status quo. We're not gonna recommend that one to them  because there's really no, um, benefit. Yeah. 'cause I, I really find that, you know, the first one's kind of  like, okay, that's what I look like as a Michelin man. That's you, these are my, these are my 21  measurements. Um, and that's great. Yeah. But if my body isn't going to change because I don't plan on 

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losing fat or gaining muscle, it's kind of moot. Unless you're just curious about what your body, you  know, size are and then that's fine. Right. But I find personally that the subsequent tests of the 3D body  scan are the valuable ones. So what I was able to show you  . Of my changes over  a couple of years. I was like, I would've never seen that in the mirror. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:45:42): 

It 

Alex Jabr (00:45:42): 

Would've never seen that. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:45:43): 

So interesting. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:45:44): 

And you know, one of the things about our data and our test is it doesn't care about your feelings. So you  could be so hard on yourself. And I remember this happened to me, aren't we all completely back? I know  . It was back in 2022, so we hadn't quite opened yet. And I still had all my data at the California  

location. We went back for Thanksgiving, Uhhuh. And I remember thinking to myself, I was in such a  bad mood about getting tested because I felt this like sense of pressure. Like, I'm gonna help open one of  these and I can't even control my own weight and all this stuff. And so I'm totally like beating yourself up.  Oh my gosh. . It was awful. Justin would just go on about it if he was here to, to tell you. 'cause  he was really trying to like emotionally support me. Yeah. And I go in there and I had lost so much fat  and I was like, he is like, are you kidding 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:27): 

Me? Oh my gosh. 

Alex Jabr (00:46:28): 

I didn't, I 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:29): 

Didn't 

Alex Jabr (00:46:30): 

See it and I was weighing myself regularly. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:32): 

That's so crazy. 

Alex Jabr (00:46:33): 

I just didn't see 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:46:33):

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It. So another example of like the great experience to go in to enlighten yourself and to show the reward  Yeah. That you actually have at the end of it Yeah. That you wouldn't necessarily see and then in the  mirror, 

Alex Jabr (00:46:44): 

And then sometimes you don't have changes and it's a deflating  . Disappointing  experience. Sure. And we have to make space for that too. Like I, I was just talking to a client about that  and they were like, nothing changed and I'm changing everything. And it's, that's okay. That is okay to be  frustrated. We don't have enough data to say that this isn't working yet though. So 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:47:01): 

I was just gonna say, do, at what point do you pivot . Or do you say stick to it?  

Alex Jabr (00:47:06): 

. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:47:06): 

Sometimes it will take a different period of time than we thought or, you know, whatever. 

Alex Jabr (00:47:10): 

I, I will always recommend continuing to get data and I don't just say that because I want you to keep  coming back to us. Yeah. But rather because time's gonna pass anyways and changes are gonna happen if  you're not paying attention. Yeah. Um, and it, or I should say the wrong changes might happen if you're  not paying attention. And I dealt with that before where I would go months without getting on the scale  and that's when I would gain 20 pounds and not realize it. Got it. Um, and so, you know, it's, or you  know, I might've gained some muscle and because I wasn't tracking those things, I didn't give myself the  due credit for it.  . So I think it's just a matter of just, uh, acknowledging that this  is a very, um, this can be a very difficult relationship with yourself with it. And so I, I keep that in mind  and, you know, the people that work for us also have that kind of mindset with it. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:47:56): 

You're probably playing like a little bit of, um, like therapist at times. 

Alex Jabr (00:48:00): 

You have to be trauma informed . Yeah. Yeah. You know, because I mean, that's a big factor of  why, um, a lot of us carry extra weight. Yeah. And that, you know, if you go into reading that, I mean,  that's a whole other topic, but Yeah. I am very mindful and aware of that. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:48:14): 

No, but I think that's like an extra benefit that comes to working with you guys. Yeah. And obviously I sat  with you guys for three hours Yeah. And got to know you and Justin, which was really cool. Yeah. To be  able to like know the experience that you guys bring in terms of that like hospitality and the warmth and  the like, just that you, you are there for everybody. Like, come on in. So I 

Alex Jabr (00:48:33): 

Have a, I have a PhD in psychology too, so

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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:48:35): 

I think that 

Alex Jabr (00:48:36): 

Probably helps a little bit. Yep. But you know, it's, it's really the tone that we sent that we set in our  office. And so getting back to your original question, um, I would say, uh, you're gonna come in, you're  gonna get these tests, uh, the body composition test  . The one that we talked  about that's similar to dexa, that one we recommend every, uh, like 12 weeks. Got it. Okay. So that's like  a quarterly one. Unless you've recently had any type of bariatric surgery, um, or you are on a GLP one  medication, we recommend that monthly. Got it. We shouldn't be going more than three to four weeks  just because we gotta make sure that we're, we're getting enough for what we need. And then the VO two  max and the resting metabolic rate test, that one's more of a every, at most quarterly. Okay. 

(00:49:19): 

You don't need to do that more. And that's only if big things change. So if somebody came to us mm hmm . And they lost 50 pounds and they're like, I'm stuck and I still have 30 more to go,  we're gonna say, let's retest your, your metabolism. Because it might have adjusted. It might Sure. It  might be different now that you are carrying 50 less pounds on your body. Yeah, that makes sense. Let's  check. So if any big changes, if we've had mothers come in who are still breastfeeding, as soon as they, so  they're in their fourth trimester  . We, the, the test will definitely account for how  many more calories they are burning. It will register four to 500 extra calories, uh, depending on how  much they're breastfeeding.  

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:49:52): 

. 

Alex Jabr (00:49:52): 

And then a few weeks after that we say come back for that so we can, you know, test to see what your  new baseline is. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:49:58): 

Dare I say I miss those days. , those were recognizably more, um, calorie burning days. So  , 

Alex Jabr (00:50:04): 

That's what I've heard. I dunno, personally. That's what I've heard. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:06): 

So having gone through two of them, yeah. So 

Alex Jabr (00:50:08): 

Those ones are, are more like, um, you know, you're gonna go get a baseline and then you're gonna come  back as needed. Um, somebody who's training for a marathon that's like, oh, my VO O2 max is only 30,  I'd really like to get it to 40. They're gonna go train, they're gonna work with a cardio coach or whoever 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:22): 

They're

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Alex Jabr (00:50:23): 

Working with, and they're gonna come back and test that in a few months. So, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:25): 

So a lot of people are more maybe like quarterly and then if you are in a bit more of a, um, athletic or  GLP environment, maybe monthly roughly, if 

Alex Jabr (00:50:33): 

You 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:33): 

Are having 

Alex Jabr (00:50:33): 

Some sort of intervention 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:35): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:50:35): 

And you want to test to see is this working? You wouldn't wanna go too far down the wrong path mm hmm 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:50:41): 

. Right. 

Alex Jabr (00:50:42): 

You wouldn't want, like, we had a, I'll give you this anecdote. We had a, somebody came in and said, I'm,  I'm going vegan. Ah, awesome.  . They came in and their muscle went down, but  their visceral fat went down too.  . Because they're eating so much fiber. Yeah.  Which was fantastic. But I said, you're gonna have to find a protein. Yeah. Like, it, it has to be vegan, you  know, but you're gonna have to find a protein. Um, she came in six weeks later and she had course  corrected. Yeah. But imagine if she had gone six months. Yeah. You know, we, that's times wasted going  down the wrong path. So that's what it is. It's, it's biofeedback, it's data, or I should say data feedback  about the interventions that you're doing to create changes in your body and then giving yourself some,  some space to do more. And sometimes more is needed. Sometimes they need to go work with, um,  getting hormones balanced, uh, working with, you know, um, different physicians for other things. Like  that's when we talk GLP ones and stuff. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:51:32): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:51:33): 

But, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:51:33):

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You know, one thing that I found interesting with mine is you had mentioned, now I came in at eight in  the morning  . So, you know, same what you said. I hadn't, you know, I wasn't  hydrated nothing, but it said that I was dehydrated  . And I literally always have  said like, I drink a hundred plus ounces of water a day. Yeah. How could I possibly be dehydrated? And  we talked about electrolytes and I think we even talked about like, is there a possibility that I am  hydrating myself beyond the point of what's necessary, that it's dehydrating me? Is that a thing? 

Alex Jabr (00:52:05): 

It's two point parts. Okay. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:07): 

I can't say 

Alex Jabr (00:52:07): 

For sure. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:07): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:52:08): 

I can't say for sure. But that is a, a theory is that when we drink too much water and we displace the  electrolytes, and now you've got, it's something about like you're flushing the electrolytes outta your  body. Have you ever heard, like, you don't want your p to be clear? Have you ever heard that ? 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:23): 

No. Really? ? I'm like, I thought it wasn't supposed to be yellow, but I thought you wanted it to  be more clear. Maybe not. 

Alex Jabr (00:52:29): 

It's, I mean, I'm not, I'm not a urologist, but it's supposed to be like a, a pale yellow. Okay. It's supposed to  to be like super dark and concentrated because you're dehydrated. But if you go too far in the opposite  direction, you actually just pee out all your electrolytes and it's not doing, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:43): 

Which I think is what I have been doing, 

Alex Jabr (00:52:45): 

Maybe, and yeah, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:46): 

It's two 

Alex Jabr (00:52:47): 

Parts, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:47):

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But I learned this. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:52:48): 

And I'm so glad that you saw that because, um, it can be so you're like, it's not easy to drink a hundred  ounces of water, okay?  . And so to, to think that you're gonna have the plumps  like 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:52:58): 

Self, like we all have these, these giant water bottles, you know, like, like 

Alex Jabr (00:53:00): 

You're putting it to good use. It's 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:53:02): 

Not just 

Alex Jabr (00:53:02): 

For looks. And then you're like, I don't have, where's my hydration? Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:53:05): 

And we 

Alex Jabr (00:53:05): 

Always hear the same thing. People go, oh, I haven't had water this morning. That's not what that is.  . Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:53:10): 

Yeah. That's so Yeah. And I had never gone through that before. 

Alex Jabr (00:53:13): 

And here's the other half of that is if their muscle is low uhhuh, then their capacity to store water is also  low. Okay. A lot of our hydration, a lot of the water in our body is stored in the muscles. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:53:27): 

Okay. So what does that mean then? If it's not like, am I, 

Alex Jabr (00:53:30): 

So let's, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:53:31): 

Am I peeing more? 

Alex Jabr (00:53:33): 

No, no. What I'm saying is that when you, when you did the test  . And it had your  hydration levels on the lower end, what I look, and I don't remember off the top of my head what your 

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muscle was, but if I see somebody that has, so we have everything's, um, red, yellow, green, okay? Mm hmm. So green is obviously our ideal, uh, zone that we wanna be in. Yellow's a little like, okay, it's okay,  but we've got work to do. Red's like, nope. Yeah. We've had people that their muscle is like at the lowest  point of red, they're not even registering on hydration because their hydration is so low. 'cause there's  nowhere to put it. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:04): 

Mm. 

Alex Jabr (00:54:04): 

There's not enough. Like think of like your muscles as your, your tank. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:08): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:54:09): 

Like if you don't have this, the, it, it's like, okay, you 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:13): 

Don't have the tanks 

Alex Jabr (00:54:13): 

, you don't have a large enough water bottle. Yeah. Like if you're trying to put that amount of  water in a tiny little Dixie cup Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:19): 

It's 

Alex Jabr (00:54:19): 

Gonna be a problem. It, it's not gonna store. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:21): 

Okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:54:21): 

And so maybe yeah. You are peeing it. Right? 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:23): 

Like, I love through this. 'cause it just starts connecting the dots a lot more  . As to  like what's going on. Yeah. Um, and I I find it really fascinating is like, the older I get, the more I wanna  know about wellness and um, you know, and everything. So, and the, and 

Alex Jabr (00:54:35): 

The same thing with our athletes. So we've got endurance athletes, I pick on them a lot because Justin's  one ,

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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:41): 

But 

Alex Jabr (00:54:41): 

Our endurance 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:54:41): 

Athlete, easy 

Alex Jabr (00:54:42): 

Target. Right. 

(00:54:43): 

That will prioritize their running over everything else and they don't have enough muscle on their body.  And then they have challenges with their nutrition.  . You've ever heard of  bonking, like where they, they run out of energy on their course or they get goo gut or they have problems  with like absorption of the, of the gel packets Yeah. And stuff like that. I wanna look at their muscle. Do  you have enough muscle in your body to store it somewhere? Because the, what happens is the water  follows the essential, um, I'm gonna say this is, uh, try not to say this wrong, but essentially the water  follows the glucose that gets stored in the mu Yeah. And so if you don't have enough muscle to store  those things for later, it's gonna be harder to pull from them when you're out there doing an event mm hmm 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:55:20): 

. 

Alex Jabr (00:55:20): 

And so we find that people, athletes that are trying to tweak their nutrition also have to look at how much  muscle's on your body 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:55:26): 

 .  . Okay. So let's just ask a really dumb question. Love 

Alex Jabr (00:55:30): 

It. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:55:30): 

The only way to increase your muscle is to lift weights. Yes. Run, walk, bike, 

Alex Jabr (00:55:37): 

Lift, lift, lift, lift, lift and lift. Heavier. Okay. And then, you know, uh, recovery.  .  Rest and recovery is just as important. Um, but you, you need some, the carbohydrate, uh, well  carbohydrates do play a role in, in muscle growth, but, um, you need to give your body protein. Protein  are the amino acids at the building blocks of our muscle.  . So that's where getting  protein in of whatever, in a good source of protein. Okay. Not all proteins created equal. You know what?  Sure. This happened to me actually, I was spending extra money on, uh, bone broth instead of chicken  broth because I was like, well there's 15 grams of protein in it. Yeah.

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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:56:11): 

And 

Alex Jabr (00:56:11): 

Then I looked at the quality of it. It's like 2%. Like it's not even, it's not a complete protein. It's not, it's  not the same protein as you get from like a whey protein scoop of whey protein or a chicken breast.  Okay?  . And so I stopped wasting my money on that and I went back to chicken  broth. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:56:25): 

Okay. Because 

Alex Jabr (00:56:26): 

It wasn't actually, so you gotta look at that actual label and you gotta look at the percentage. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:56:29): 

God, we can get sold on so many things. It worked, 

Alex Jabr (00:56:32): 

It worked on me. Yeah. And it's significantly more expensive. So, um, I, I ditched that and then, um, but  look at, look for complete proteins. Look for, these are gonna be like those protein yogurts   . Those yogurts with extra protein in 'em. Um, uh, obviously any types of meat, that kind of  stuff Yeah. Is gonna be really helpful. And those shakes, I I, you know, they're a little processed, but you  know what, I'm busy. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:56:54): 

Like , 

Alex Jabr (00:56:55): 

I'm gonna grab, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:56:56): 

Aren't we all like, we need convenience. I do think that's a really, um, you know, I think a lot of people  would wanna know how do I find something that's convenient? 'cause I just don't feel like I have the time  all the time to go 

Alex Jabr (00:57:05): 

Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:57:06): 

You know, 

Alex Jabr (00:57:06): 

Well in

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Mindy Hargesheimer (00:57:07): 

Cook chicken or whatever it is that, you know, you get the best protein Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (00:57:10): 

Protein protein's getting, its, its time right now. Yeah. It's not like back in the nineties where low fat  everything. Right now everything's high protein, so it's a lot easier to find things. Yeah. Um, and, and  understand what that is. But just under understanding what a gram of protein is, a gram of fiber, you  know  . Where to get these sources, um, I think could be really, really helpful. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:57:28): 

Any other things that you've, you see a lot of people doing that we should stop or do more of, do less of or  do more of during the day that could impact our metabolic health? Is that the best way to put it? 

Alex Jabr (00:57:40): 

Metabolic 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:57:40): 

Health that we haven't touched on yet? 

Alex Jabr (00:57:42): 

No. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:57:42): 

And if not, that's okay. 

Alex Jabr (00:57:43): 

I feel like we've touched on everything, but I think, uh, you know, one of the things that psychologically  we haven't touched on is, you know, getting into a healthier relationship with your body. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:57:50): 

Let's talk about the psychological side. Oh my gosh. Like even having, 

Alex Jabr (00:57:53): 

Having, uh, an ability to, to walk in there, take a look at something and, and, and give yourself some  credit for something you find. Like I've rarely had, we've always had somebody that, that comes in and,  and has something that they can prove on. That's why they're coming to us.  .  Right. That's why they're coming to us because they wanna improve on something. But, you know, give  yourself some grace for, for what good is, like I said, if I had had these available to me when I was, uh, 20  Yeah. I wouldn't have given myself so much grief over my weight. 'cause I would've been like, that's  muscle and that muscle is queen right now. Right? Yeah. And I would've, you know, I really, by the time  I was 20, I, I didn't have as much in my head. I thought I had 50 pounds to lose and that wasn't actually  the case. Right. I had like 10 or 20. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:58:37): 

You were like, you were putting a challenge in front of you that was more so than

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Alex Jabr (00:58:40): 

You did. It wasn't even real.  . It wasn't even real. So get curious about your body.  Learn to love your body where it's at.  . Um, again, you know, when it comes to  obesity and this, this is controversial still, but the who is recognized it, it is a, it is a medical condition.  We look at it  . It is not your fault that you're obese, but it is your responsibility  and we can help you Yeah. With that. Um, and then, you know, same thing with athletes. It, it's such a,  there there's gotta be a plan out there  . And so we just help people find that plan.  Mm. Yeah. And, and work with, uh, work with what their body's natural inclination is. Yeah. And work  with what they've got so that they can reach their goals. And we wanna age well. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:59:15): 

Yeah. Yes we do. Yeah. Okay. Athletes, let's talk about that. So I know that you met our mutual friend  Ashley, who is, um, embrace wellness with Ashley. I'm gonna draw a blank on the spot as I'm trying to  remember her Instagram, but I'll tag her. 

Alex Jabr (00:59:29): 

Ashley Moore Wellness. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:59:30): 

Ashley Moore Wellness since she changed it. Okay. Um, but you guys met through I think one of her  boys baseball, baseball clubs. Yeah. Yeah. So do you want just to kind of put it out there   . Do you wanna work with more, um, youth athletes? Do you wanna work with more  professional sports teams here? Like who would be an ideal kind of group within that realm in Kansas  City that you guys would love to be able to, uh, provide this to? 

Alex Jabr (00:59:53): 

Jokingly, we work a lot with, um, frustrated mothers and teen boys that don't want to eat. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (00:59:59): 

Okay. Like, it's 

Alex Jabr (00:59:59): 

Just, it's 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:00:00): 

Teen boys don't wanna eat. They 

Alex Jabr (01:00:01): 

Don't wanna eat enough. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:00:02): 

I have two daughters, so I don't know that, but I'm like, what? 

Alex Jabr (01:00:04): 

 Maybe it's because, I mean, maybe it's just those are the people that get into our, could be, um,  thing. But we get them on the, we get them on the RMR, we get them on the VO two max and we're just 

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like, they're caloric estimates are out of this world, really. Like, they're so high. And we had one, um, he  was a, uh, football athlete  . 16 years old. And his mom was like, you know, he  gets out there and he just, my, my nephew's the same way. He's a basketball athlete.   . My sister's constantly harping on him to eat. And then he gets kind of, well, I've got a  headache. Or, you know, I feel, I don't feel good. You didn't eat, you can't go running AM muck out here.  And you know, not running amuck, but you can't go, you know, playing all these sports and not eat and  expect, you know, to perform  . And so there is a stubbornness, um, of like their, I  don't know what it is with maybe their hunger cues haven't really adjusted. It's during that growth spurt  where they're starting to get, you know, that 12 to 14 year olds  . Um, but then  they see this data and they go, oh. And then the moms go, oh, that's gonna cost me a lot. Right. To feed  them. Oh boy. Yeah. Because then you have to factor in the calories that they're burden   . While they're training. But 

(01:01:08): 

We have a lot of parents, we see a lot of parents putting a lot of money into their athletes, into their, into  their kids' sports. Okay. Um, and 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:01:15): 

Oh my gosh. I mean, kids sports, like, as you probably know now Yeah. Um, with these people coming in  is, there's so Yeah. Much going into it. Yes. Yeah. That I can see this being a huge growth opportunity  too. 

Alex Jabr (01:01:25): 

Yeah. For all of them. We, we completely agree. And so we look at it as, um, we help you kind of protect  your investment. You know, like what's a way to optimize performance? Good point. What it's a way to  optimize recovery. And what's a way to make sure that they're not undereating  .  Um, especially for the amount of, um, effort that they're putting out there in training and, and games. And  same thing with like, anybody who's doing a GLP one, especially if they're getting it at any of our local  vendors, they're not cheap. And so 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:01:51): 

You wanna make 

Alex Jabr (01:01:51): 

Sure that you're losing the right stuff. And so we really help you, um, approach it in a strategic way where  you're protecting your investment. But, but yeah. Athletes, athletes alike are, are very, um, we see a lot of  those, so. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:02:03): 

Okay. Good to know. Um, are there other things that you see people doing today that, um, is maybe  misinformation that is kind of being thrown around on social media or otherwise that we should mention?  Just to be weary of or just be cognizant of or 

Alex Jabr (01:02:17): 

Well, I would, there is so much information 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:02:21): 

Yeah.

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Alex Jabr (01:02:22): 

Out there. And so that's where I go back to, well, everything might work for somebody. Okay. But  nothing works for everybody. And this, these tests can help you identify what works best for you. Yeah.   . Um, be wary of a lot of stuff. Um  . It is, our bodies  aren't that complicated, really. I mean, they, they are. And they're not like, just eat whole food.   . Limit the drinking. Yeah. 'cause I'm not giving it up anytime soon. . No, not  either. Uh, move your body. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:02:55): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (01:02:55): 

Move your body. Prioritize, um, building muscle. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:02:58): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (01:02:58): 

Like, it's, it's really, a lot of times I think, and I I say this from personal experience, I mentally get in my  way Yeah. About getting these things done. Um, I got dragged to the gym first thing this morning, um,  and I didn't wanna go. I did not dragged wanna go, but I just But you felt great afterwards during I did. I  really did. It always is the case. Yeah. You know, and, um, you know, from someone who had a, a very  severe back injury and couldn't walk for several months, like, I'm not taking that for granted. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:21): 

Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (01:03:22): 

I'm not. And then sometimes I still will . 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:24): 

Yeah, no kidding. 'cause you're only human, right. . 

Alex Jabr (01:03:27): 

Yeah. But these, but these tests have really, you know, uh, motivated me when I, when I've steered off  track. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:33): 

I have this in front of me. I don't know that there's anything, um, that we wanna point out with like mine  in particular. I'm not saying like, oh, we need to get into all the measurements or whatever. But when you  look at this, is there anything that you would kind of speak to for people who are curious? Like, okay, tell  me what I could expect or like what you would kind of at a high level tell me. Like, my, my shape score. 

Alex Jabr (01:03:53): 

Yeah.

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Mindy Hargesheimer (01:03:54): 

I got good. Yeah. What is that? Good, great, bad. 

Alex Jabr (01:03:57): 

That's, you know, that's part of the algorithm. That's, uh, one of the things that's gonna take into account a  few different, I I don't work with people that, that is one of the elements that's available in the IQ that I  don't say Let's and prove your shape score. No, that's not what we're Sure. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:04:09): 

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, 

Alex Jabr (01:04:11): 

I wish we would've actually printed out your Zika. Um, so 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:04:14): 

Oh 

Alex Jabr (01:04:14): 

Yeah. That's your S iq, that's the the thing that you rotated on. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:04:17): 

Yeah. Okay. So I probably brought the wrong one to our episode. That's okay. But I can find it and I can  bring it into like, social stuff that we do, so 

Alex Jabr (01:04:24): 

Yeah. Yeah. I think that would be great. And like I said, the, I, I really like, and I'm kind of a sucker for  interface and like the way things look and so it's just pretty, it's colorful. It's got you graphs and pictures  and stuff like that. Yeah. We put it all in a folder for you so you keep it, uh, save it and then when you  come back, we show you, um, the comparison. So we compare, we save all your data so that you can  actually see what your progress is. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:04:48): 

Okay. Cool. Um, are there any things that you and Justin do on the regular as being in the position that  you guys are doing? Like what, what's kind of a regular day look like for you guys of things that you  always try to incorporate? Well, I know he's a, he's a big runner. 

Alex Jabr (01:05:03): 

He's way better at it than 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:05:04): 

I'm, so he's got that. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (01:05:05): 

Yeah. I would say, um, for him, he, he definitely prioritizes, uh, his cardio, which is where I nag him.  . Okay. Because you need to lift some weights. Yeah. 'cause you're, you know, you're, he's a 

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little outta balance with, with that. Whereas I'm like, he's like, you need lift weights too. And I'm like,  okay. Well, so that's where he tracks me in . Like, we struggle just the same as other people.  Couple. Yeah. Yep. We, we struggle just the same as other people. I would say one of the things that we  do that's kind of weird is that we will, we'll go like test. I mean, we can test whenever we want. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:05:34): 

Which 

Alex Jabr (01:05:34): 

Is kind of neat. So he'll actually, he'll get done with a, um, with a big event. Like he did the Ironman,  Florida in October.  . Um, November 1st. Actually we were in Florida for that.  And he came home and man, he had almost like 20 pounds of inflammation on his body. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:05:53): 

What does that even mean? 

Alex Jabr (01:05:54): 

I know. . It's, it basically, he gained 20 pounds and a lot of it went into his muscle soul. How the  sudden his muscles look great because your break it Ironmans are a beast. And no kidding, you break  down. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:07): 

Not in this lifetime will I ever be doing an Ironman. So 

Alex Jabr (01:06:10): 

Kudos to you. I 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:11): 

Am here to hear his experience. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (01:06:13): 

It's, it's, uh, and he, he would laugh at me. I I say this with so much respect and admiration for what he's  able to accomplish Of course. But it is rough on the body. Um, I mean, it's like, for him, he's, he's a  finisher. Yeah. Um, but he's not fast. And so it's, it's a, it's like a 13 to 15 hour day. Wow. Yeah. Of  constant. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:30): 

I've known a few to do it  

Alex Jabr (01:06:32): 

. And mentally he has got the fortitude for it. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:34): 

Like 

Alex Jabr (01:06:35):

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I would not be able to, um, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:36): 

So much of the battle. No doubt. 

Alex Jabr (01:06:37): 

And so we were able to see the fluid shifts and then we retested him every couple days, watched it as it  came down. But basically, I mean, his ankles were puffy, his body was sore, your body breaks down like  the muscle, um, in order to repair it again. And so just making sure that he was, um, you know,  nourishing himself well enough to, to repair 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:06:56): 

Yeah. Be like to recover prop those, uh, those ankles up and I'll have a glass of wine. 

Alex Jabr (01:07:00): 

The piggies. Yeah. . Exactly. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:07:02): 

Exactly. 

Alex Jabr (01:07:03): 

In between transitions I was going and finding a bar and making friends and then going and finding 'em  again. . Yes. So that's my role. I mean, I, I just hope what, what people get outta this is like, it can  be very intimidating. Yeah. It can be very vulnerable. You're not always gonna like what you see and  that's okay. Yeah. Um, it, but, you know, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:07:19): 

And you also don't have to give up everything you live. 

Alex Jabr (01:07:21): 

No. We're very real people. Yeah. Like, we're very real people. We understand where people are at with  it. Um, and you know, we work with people who do give up everything. 'cause they're on a strict Sure.  You know, thing for like a, like anyi competition Yeah. And stuff. Much respect to them.   . Um, we had a client, we actually had a client that did that. She, she was coming down to  see us from Nebraska. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:07:40): 

Okay. 

Alex Jabr (01:07:41): 

And man watching her when she came back for her, her check-in right before her competition. And she  saw the results that, I mean, she broke down crying. She was so happy that I was so happy for her. Yeah.  Um, and, and she did well if she, you 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:07:54): 

Guys are literally changing lives for people.

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Alex Jabr (01:07:56): 

I just, you know, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:07:57): 

Mentally, physically, emotionally. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (01:07:59): 

Well, thank you. Thank you. I, I see the value in it and  . Um, one thing we've,  we've struggled is just letting people know we're here. So Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:05): 

The 

Alex Jabr (01:08:06): 

Opportunity to come onto your podcast and chat with you 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:08): 

About it. Yep. We wanna get the word out. It's been fantastic. 

Alex Jabr (01:08:10): 

Good, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:10): 

Good, good. Okay. Perfect. Well that is the goal here. Um, okay. Let's get into some fun rapid fire  questions, but anything else that we haven't covered yet, any other funny or fun anecdotes or stories that  you wanna bring to the table? Anything about what it's like to come, um, visit with you and Justin and  your team? 

Alex Jabr (01:08:28): 

No, I think, gosh, you asked so many great questions. I, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:30): 

I think 

Alex Jabr (01:08:30): 

We covered it all. Everybody 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:31): 

Get in and get to experience you guys firsthand. Okay. Alright. Well let's start with what is on your  Kansas City bucket list? What do you guys wanna do? 

Alex Jabr (01:08:39): 

I wanna go to Atlas nine. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:41):

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Yes, you should. Do 

Alex Jabr (01:08:42): 

I do that? 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:42): 

Yep. I wanna go 

Alex Jabr (01:08:43): 

On Saturday or Sunday. Are they open Sundays? We'll, we'll 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:45): 

Shut, I dunno, but you should definitely go. Yeah. Yes. We brought the whole family there. Um, right  when they open and it is such a cool experience. Yeah. And then they're like, I think they're like award winning right now or nominated or something. Yeah. I don't 

Alex Jabr (01:08:55): 

Even wanna 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:55): 

Look it up for something nationally because 

Alex Jabr (01:08:57): 

I don't wanna be like, I wanna be surprised. Okay. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:58): 

Genuinely 

Alex Jabr (01:08:59): 

Surprised. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:08:59): 

And 

Alex Jabr (01:09:00): 

Sunday's my birthday, so I was like, wow. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:01): 

Happy early birthday. 

Alex Jabr (01:09:02): 

Thank you. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:02):

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Well, this will come out after your birthday, so happy birthday. Yeah. Back then. Thanks. When we did  this. And so we 

Alex Jabr (01:09:06): 

Were talking about it. He was like, what do you wanna do? I was like, I wanna go to Alice nine. Yay. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:09): 

I love that. We 

Alex Jabr (01:09:10): 

Haven't been there yet. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:11): 

Okay, great. Um, who would you like to see on the podcast? Who would you refer to? Come on, who do  you think would be a great person here in KC that people can learn or find some inspiration from? 

Alex Jabr (01:09:22): 

Such a great question. Let me think. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:26): 

You know a lot of, 

Alex Jabr (01:09:27): 

Ooh, you know what? Yeah. Actually I would recommend, uh, mark and Tandy. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:32): 

Okay. 

Alex Jabr (01:09:32): 

Uh, mark and Tandy. Um, why am I blanking? Oh, uh, I'm blanking on their last name right now. They're  some of our best friends and I'm 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:40): 

. That's okay. I was blanking on my friend's Instagram account. It's like late in the day. You  know, , 

Alex Jabr (01:09:44): 

They have, um, revelation Wellness is their, uh, business. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:48): 

I'll make sure I get them tagged. Don't worry. 

Alex Jabr (01:09:52): 

Yeah.

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Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:52): 

What do they do? 

Alex Jabr (01:09:53): 

Oh, sorry. Um, they're a nurse physician team that do functional wellness. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:09:58): 

Okay, 

Alex Jabr (01:09:58): 

Great. And so we, we partner a lot with them simply because we've used their services as well, but they're  fantastic people. These are people who are constantly going to conferences, continuing their education.  Yeah. Learning about peptides, learning about hormone replacement therapy. Yes. I mean, they have  completely, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:14): 

I wanna know more about that. A lot about that. Yeah. They 

Alex Jabr (01:10:16): 

Completely shifted my mindset of what I thought I understood about hormones. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:19): 

And 

Alex Jabr (01:10:19): 

Hormone replacement therapy. Like I was taught to be afraid of it because it would cause cancer. And it  actually turns out that those were very limited, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:26): 

Uh, 

Alex Jabr (01:10:26): 

Studies that actually were a bit misleading and 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:28): 

They 

Alex Jabr (01:10:28): 

Just explain it. Um, you know, so much better. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:31): 

And thank goodness there's so much heckler, more heckler. 

Alex Jabr (01:10:34):

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Heckler. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:35): 

What is it? 

Alex Jabr (01:10:35): 

Last name's Heckler. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:10:36): 

Okay. . I was gonna say thank you. Or, um, thankfully there's so much more out there happening  with people putting time and money into studying hormones and menopause and perimenopause and all  the things because it is, yeah. I mean, I think most women know that. Like, it's crazy how much time has  not been put into it and now it's becoming a lot more prevalent, which is great. And 

Alex Jabr (01:10:54): 

You know what, you asked me this earlier and now I'm gonna come back to this. You said, what are the  things that we need to be careful of? Be careful of absolutes. You know, like the solution to Western  medicine flaws is not a complete eradication of it. Yeah. Um, and there's a reason why Western medicine  evolved from Eastern because we made some progress. Okay.  . So there's, there's  a benefit to integration of both and not completely ruling out, you know, any, any demonization of  everything as a whole. Pause. Great reminder. You know. And so one thing I really like about their work,  because they are conventionally trained and um, is they, they bring in these, you know, they, they stay  true to their roots of what they understand from medical school and nursing school.   . Um, but then they also bring in this longevity, this wellness, this, you know, looking at the  person from a holistic aspect. Yeah. Have them on. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:40): 

Yeah. Yeah. I clearly need to get connected with them. Okay. I'm gonna go look them up after this. Um,  okay. What are some of your favorite things for you guys living here in Kansas City? What do you love  about Kansas City not being from here? Food. Tell me more. Where you guys like to eat? What are, shout  out some of your favorites. 

Alex Jabr (01:11:54): 

Uh, pot pie. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:55): 

Yes. Pot 

Alex Jabr (01:11:56): 

Pie. Earl's, uh, is it Earl's premiere? 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:11:58): 

Earl's Premiere?  . 

Alex Jabr (01:11:59): 

Yep. Love Earl's Premier. We, uh, NORS. Have you been to Nors yet?

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Mindy Hargesheimer (01:12:03): 

Yeah, I just went  . I love the, um, interior. I love their like tapestry that they have  on the wall. It's so beautiful. Yeah. They're fantastic. I'm 

Alex Jabr (01:12:09): 

Also Lebanese too, so I'm a little partial to the Lebanese 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:12:11): 

Food. Yeah. Yep. 

Alex Jabr (01:12:12): 

Um, let's see. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:12:13): 

Yeah, I actually took my daughter there and we did like a, it was like a red pepper and pomegranate  hummus kind of creation. And then we did the chicken, uh, wrap.  . Yeah. It was  really good. And their 

Alex Jabr (01:12:24): 

Fries are so good. Oh, 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:12:25): 

The fries were so good. So good. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (01:12:27): 

I just, I love so much food. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:12:29): 

Me too. 

Alex Jabr (01:12:30): 

I do, I, and you know what I, no offense but barbecue. I wish I liked more barbecue. Like it just sticks to  my, I love the barbecue here. I know. I can't, you know how I, I'm from California. Yeah. You know how  some people are like, I, I love Mexican food but I can't, it doesn't agree with me. That's how I kind kind of  feel about barbecue. So I eat around so often. Yeah. Yeah. But then I'm burping it for seven days straight.  Yep. And it doesn't taste good on the seventh 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:12:53): 

Day. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's completely fair. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, good. Um, okay. And then, um, what,  uh, do you have any favorite hidden gyms that you guys have found around Kansas City that, um, you  wanna shout out? Any places that you guys like to attend or, um, I don't know that you would share that  people might not know about that we haven't talked about? 

Alex Jabr (01:13:16): 

I'm not sure. That's

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Mindy Hargesheimer (01:13:17): 

Okay. If you don't. 

Alex Jabr (01:13:17): 

I know I'm gonna think of everything when I leave, so no offense to anybody. I didn't just say all 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:13:21): 

Good. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Alright, so let's do, where can people find and follow you? 

Alex Jabr (01:13:25): 

Okay. So you can find us on online at, um, BodymetRx. So BodymetRx. Body 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:13:31): 

Metrics. Yeah. 

Alex Jabr (01:13:32): 

BodymetRx kc. So if you go to BodymetRx, you'll find our California location. Yep. So you gotta  find BodymetRx, uh, kc we are on all social media platforms.  . And then Body  metrics kc.com is our website. Okay. Um, give us a call, text us. You'll get Natalie. Um, we can get you  in for an appointment or you can follow our links to, to get an appointment to come in. Yes. Um, if you're  not sure what you need or you're just curious where you should start, I mean, just go with a, we, we offer  free consults. Yeah. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:13:59): 

Come 

Alex Jabr (01:13:59): 

In and see 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:14:00): 

Us. Definitely take advantage of that. And you guys are in Overland Park roughly where? 

Alex Jabr (01:14:03): 

Uh, 95th and Metcalf area. Perfect. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:14:05): 

 . In such a booming location, by the way. Yeah. So that's a great place to be.  Awesome. Well thank you so much. I know that I had such a good experience talking to you guys. We  literally left that three hour time period being like we could have talked, continue talking and like, we  need to go to Popeye together and we need to go hang out . Um, because we had such a good  time chatting and this has been super enlightening for me to learn so much about what you guys are doing  and I'm really, really excited for people to find you guys and to be able to come in and understand what  they don't know today. Yeah. And how they can, you know, work through what they're trying to achieve.  So this has been great. All 

Alex Jabr (01:14:38):

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We're looking forward to working with them all. Awesome. So thanks for having us. 

Mindy Hargesheimer (01:14:41): 

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much for tuning in and finding inspiration in these incredible stories. If  you love what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Leave a rating and share the  show to help these Kansas City voices reach even more listeners.